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Messages from July 97 Messages from August 97 Messages from September 97 Messages from October 97 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 07:04:53 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Re: A sick moped If you can get the motor to turn over, see if there is any compression. If so, the other things you will have to determine are: a) is there spark? b) is fuel getting to the cylinder? c) is air getting to the carb These three basic things are all that is necessary to make the engine run. How long since it last ran? Does it have old gas in the tank? You most likely will need to remove fuel tank and carb for a thorough cleaning. Also make sure the tail light bulb has not blown, as on some mopeds it will affect the ignition system. Good Luck! Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:48:23 -0000 To: Subject: Re: putting a 70CC kit on tomos targa Please advise where you ordered the kit. Thanks, Tony ---------- > From: daugava@nothnbut.net > To: Moped Mailing List > Date: Saturday, November 01, 1997 1:07 AM > > ************************************************* > Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:07:51 -0500 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net > Subject: putting a 70CC kit on tomos targa > > > ordered a 70 cc kit and where do you mount the choke lever? on 1996 > Tomos Targa...thanks.. > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:50:07 -0000 To: Subject: Re: Solex parts I also have a Solex 3800. Should you find a source for the items you are looking for, please let me know about it. Thanks, Tony ---------- > From: daugava@nothnbut.net > To: Moped Mailing List > Date: Saturday, November 01, 1997 1:07 AM > > ************************************************* > Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:16:36 -0600 > To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" > Subject: Solex parts > > > I have a velosolex 3800 and need a jug,piston and rings,carb.,brake handel and manual.thank you. > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:55:46 -0000 To: Subject: Re: Kinetic moped Looks like Cosmopolitan is under-cutting their dealers, by quoting you such a low price for a "new" moped. I planned on contacting Cosmopolitan about becoming one of their dealers, but seeing your note has changed my mind. ---------- > From: daugava@nothnbut.net > To: Moped Mailing List > Date: Saturday, November 01, 1997 1:07 AM > > ************************************************* > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:37:57 EST > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: browncrew@juno.com > Subject: Re: Kinetic moped > > > I talked to Cosmopolitan of Hatboro, PA to get the price of one of their > Kinetic mopeds. The price quoted to me was $595.00. Anyone have > experience with the brand "Kinetic"? Are they reliable? Cosmo is > sending a brochure with basic information. > > Keith > > > On Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:32:06 +0100 daugava@nothnbut.net writes: > >************************************************* > >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:14:34 -0500 > >To: daugava@nothnbut.net > >From: paltron@interlog.com > >Subject: Re: Kinetic moped > > > > > >daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > >> > >> ************************************************* > >> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 20:43:19 -0500 (EST) > >> To: Moped Mailing List > >> Subject: Kinetic moped > >> > >> For anyone interested, the US importer of Kinetic mopeds is > >Cosmopolitan > >> Motors of Hatboro, PA (just outside Philly). They're very nice > >people who > >> have been importing bikes forever. They were the last official > >importers > >> of Lambretta scooters back in the 80s. I don't have their phone > >number > >> handy, but it's listed. > >> > >> ~ Danny ~ > >> > >> ANDREW: Yes, their phone is 800-523-2522 > >> I thought, somebody mentioned that they can sell retail (not only > >> wholesale). > >> > >> ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ > >> syracuse ska!! > >Cosmo likes to sell to outfits like CostCo and the PriceClub, > >catalogues, etc. > >Speaking of Lambrettas, Indian made versions of the original are > >available through a Canadian outfit. Contact them at > >www.performancescooters.com > > > > > > > Date: 01 Nov 1997 09:23:46 -0800 To: "daugava@nothnbut.net" Subject: Motobecane Mobylette restoration To @REPLY My name is Bill and I have a 1962 Motobecane Mobylette. You have made me curious with your description of the front fork. My front fork looks just like a bicycle fork. I would be happy to exchange photos to see the differences of our bikes. I would also like to know where you get parts. -Bill Metteer To WILMET WILLIAM R METTEER From @INET (HO) Type N 10-29-97 4:51p FROM: daugava@nothnbut.net I changed the subject of this message to make it more relevant. I have taken some pictures of the bike before starting the restoration and will of course take some afterwards. I'll scan a couple and mail them to you. Right now I'm stuck. I have to get the bike in bits so it can go to the stove enamellers (sp?) for repainting but at the bottom of each of the front forks is some kind of sleeve that won't budge. The local shop even tried heating it but that didn't work. The trouble is that I don't know how to this sleeve is attached it may be screwed on or clipped on, (anbody got a manual for a 1963 mobylette ?) Obviously if I get too rough with it I'll end up breaking it. I'm keeping it coated in oil at the moment in the hope that this will free the rust and then I can ease it off. I'm looking forward to reassembling the restored parts. This should be the fun part because the bike will be getting more and more like a bike whereas at the moment everything I do makes it look less and less like a bike and more and more like a box of bits. Regards Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: daugava@nothnbut.net [SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net] > Sent: Monday, October 27, 1997 6:36 AM > To: Moped Mailing List > Subject: Re: Help me with parents > > ************************************************* > Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 16:11:38 -0400 (EDT) > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: TOPOjs@aol.com > Subject: Re: Help me with parents > > > Sounds like you're doing a very thorough job restoring your bike, > Brian. Let > us know how it's going. Any way to give us some pics? Good luck! > Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 12:51:53 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: putting a 70CC kit on tomos targa daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:48:23 -0000 > To: > Subject: Re: putting a 70CC kit on tomos targa > > Please advise where you ordered the kit. > > Thanks, Tony > > ---------- > > From: daugava@nothnbut.net > > To: Moped Mailing List > > Date: Saturday, November 01, 1997 1:07 AM > > > > ************************************************* > > Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:07:51 -0500 > > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > > From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net > > Subject: putting a 70CC kit on tomos targa > > > > > > ordered a 70 cc kit and where do you mount the choke lever? on 1996 > > Tomos Targa...thanks.. > > Ordered the kit from a local dealer in Pt.Charlotte..They got it from their contact in Spartenburg, N>C> who got it from Italy... Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:21:52 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: TOPOjs@aol.com Subject: Re: vespa for sale Don't know if you've licked your problem yet on the Maxi, but I once worked on a carb whose idle screw didn't affect anything and found that someone had replaced the real idle screw(tapered end) with just some screw that fit the hole. You might check it out. It's gotta lift that slider. Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:41:18 -0500 (EST) To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Re: Kinetic moped On Sat, 1 Nov 1997 brennan@ramlink.net wrote: > Looks like Cosmopolitan is under-cutting their dealers, by quoting you > such a low price for a "new" moped. I planned on contacting Cosmopolitan > about becoming one of their dealers, but seeing your note has changed my > mind. That's the same price that Sam's Club had them at, so I'm not so sure about "under-cutting" dealers. As previously mentioned, Cosmopolitan actually prefers dealing with places like Sam's, no doubt because they place big orders and move lots of product. It's not like they're selling wholesale to the public out the backdoor, give us a freakin' break! Mopeds are never gonna return to the US in a major way until the retail price is low enough and Cosmopolitan is meeting a definite need. Mopeds for $1000+ are plentiful enough at any Honda or Yamaha dealer anyway. It's not our problem if you can't make a profit at that price, sorry. ~ Danny ~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ syracuse ska!! > > I talked to Cosmopolitan of Hatboro, PA to get the price of one of their > > Kinetic mopeds. The price quoted to me was $595.00. Anyone have > > experience with the brand "Kinetic"? Are they reliable? Cosmo is > > sending a brochure with basic information. > > >Cosmo likes to sell to outfits like CostCo and the PriceClub, Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 01:58:52 +0000 To: Subject: Re: Old Honda At 01:07 AM 11/1/97 +0000, you wrote: >************************************************* >Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:11:34 -0500 (EST) >To: daugava@nothnbut.net >From: Antung@aol.com >Subject: Re: Old Honda > > >10-31-97 > >Please tell me about the details. $75 > >Thanks. > >Sam > > > E-Mail me and let me know a little more about it. We can work out shipping if we like it. Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 01:06:01 -0600 (CST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: daugava@inlink.com Subject: Crescent moped (fwd) ------------ reply to GK I am looking for any information on a 1960 Crescent Moped, 49 cc, 3 speed gearbox Made by Nymanbolagen A B Sweden Any information would be appreciated thanks G Kilgour Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 08:15:27 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Re: Old Honda I am in Mansfied, OH. About an hour north of Columbus. I have this Hobbit, and a PA-50 also. They are nearly identical, built one year apart. I am planning to take them along with some other bikes I have to a "vintage" motorcycle swap meet on 11-9 at Mansfield (richland county) fairgrounds. Send me an e-mail, and I can give you my Ph#. Thanks, Scott Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 08:25:44 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: PA-50 moped You should be able to find used parts for this bike. I know of one place that has several of these for parts. I recently got some parts for mine. Call: B&B Cycle 419-524-6327 ask for Bill or Shawn. Good Luck. SH Date: 02 Nov 1997 12:46:17 -0800 To: "DAUGAVA@NOTHNBUT.NET" Subject: shop manual To COPYTO Addressee List From WILMET (HO) Type N 11-02-97 12:46p I was browsing for shop manuals and found a factory shop manual for lightweight Italian Harley Davidsons. I did'nt buy it but if anyone needs it I'll go back and get it. The bookstore wants $10.00 for it. It included everything from the M-50 up to the 350cc models. -Bill Metteer, Seattle WA Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 09:51:05 -0500 (EST) To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: puch maxi-luxe problem I have always prided myself on my (supposed) prowess and fixing my 1977 Puch Maxi-Luxe since I restored it from being stuck in a shed for 15 years. After I fixed it, it ran fine for about 1000 miles, but now I'm getting a recurring problem that's getting quite annoying. HELP!!! It starts fine and runs for about 15 minutes and then just konks out. It doesn't respond to the throttle - kind of sounds like it's not taking in gas/air at that point. When I stick another plug in (I carry one with me now), it works fine for about another 15 minutes and then konks out. It is possible that my engine is overheating, but how? It ran fine all summer and now it's colder!!! I have drained the fuel tank and put new gas in, making sure it's the proper ratio. I also increased the gap in plugs from the recommended 0.016 (in both Clymer and Haynes manuals) to 0.020. I've also cleaned the carberatour and air cleaner. The engine doesn't have any appreciable carbon build up. What else have I done? I regreased the wheel bearings and changed the tires (but that's got nothing to do with the problem). I've played with the carb jet needle-it was originally on 2, then I changed it to 4 (the lowest), then I changed it to 1 (the highest-meaning the needle is the longest length). I changed my throttle cable and changed the gearbox fluid (using ATF type F) as recommended by CLymer. It's still konking out on me halfway to school. It's really not a big deal to get off the bike and change plugs and then spray carb cleaner into the engine-but I'd rather not have to go through this in the middle of traffic at 8 am. ANy suggestions????? HELP ME........... Michael Liu Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:30:47 -0000 To: Subject: Re: Kinetic moped If you had ever made an investment in a business and tried to develop a "loyalty" with a supplier, you wouldn't be so quick to respond so negatively to my statement about "under-cutting". I have the information from Kinetic that shows their dealer prices. Do you have this information? I don't blame anyone for buying one of these mopeds (not a scooter, like honda and yamaha sells) as cheaply as they can. What are they going to do when they have a problem, there aren't going to be any dealers around to help them, if the dealer's aren't allowed to make a resonable proftit. At the price they quoted you and at the price Sam's was selling them for, there is no room for a profit to the dealer. As you can see from a lot of the statements made here, there are a lot of people asking for help, is Sam's or Comos going to help them? Most everyone is referred to some type of dealer by the members of this group. Tony ---------- > From: daugava@nothnbut.net > To: Moped Mailing List > Date: Sunday, November 02, 1997 8:46 PM > > ************************************************* > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:41:18 -0500 (EST) > To: Moped Mailing List > Subject: Re: Kinetic moped > > > > On Sat, 1 Nov 1997 brennan@ramlink.net wrote: > > Looks like Cosmopolitan is under-cutting their dealers, by quoting you > > such a low price for a "new" moped. I planned on contacting Cosmopolitan > > about becoming one of their dealers, but seeing your note has changed my > > mind. > > That's the same price that Sam's Club had them at, so I'm not so sure > about "under-cutting" dealers. As previously mentioned, Cosmopolitan > actually prefers dealing with places like Sam's, no doubt because they > place big orders and move lots of product. It's not like they're selling > wholesale to the public out the backdoor, give us a freakin' break! > > Mopeds are never gonna return to the US in a major way until the retail > price is low enough and Cosmopolitan is meeting a definite need. Mopeds > for $1000+ are plentiful enough at any Honda or Yamaha dealer anyway. It's > not our problem if you can't make a profit at that price, sorry. > > ~ Danny ~ > > ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ > syracuse ska!! > > > > I talked to Cosmopolitan of Hatboro, PA to get the price of one of their > > > Kinetic mopeds. The price quoted to me was $595.00. Anyone have > > > experience with the brand "Kinetic"? Are they reliable? Cosmo is > > > sending a brochure with basic information. > > > > >Cosmo likes to sell to outfits like CostCo and the PriceClub, > > > Date: 03 Nov 1997 12:20:12 -0800 To: "DAUGAVA@NOTHNBUT.NET" Subject: HMW Moped To COPYTO Addressee List From WILMET (HO) Type N 11-03-97 12:20p .. To COPYTO Addressee List From WILMET (HO) Type N 11-03-97 12:18p I am trying to establish a year of manufacture for an HMW Moped. It is a 49cc two speed. The tag on the motor reads, Halleiner Motorenwerk Akt. Ges. Hallien-Austria There is a space marked Bauj. 195_ . I will assume the last number was where the manufacturer would stamp in that particular year, but in this case did not. Are there any vintage moped experts out there? -Bill Metteer Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 15:25:07 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: boyracer1@juno.com Subject: Re: Old Honda I'd love to go, but my good friend is throwing a rave on Nov. 8 and I'll be sleeping all day the 9th. how much are you asking for your `peds and how well do they run? Chas boyracer1@juno.com On Sun, 02 Nov 1997 12:46:17 -0800 daugava@nothnbut.net writes: >************************************************* >I am in Mansfied, OH. About an hour north of Columbus. >I have this Hobbit, and a PA-50 also. They are nearly identical, built >one >year apart. >I am planning to take them along with some other bikes I have to a >"vintage" >motorcycle swap meet on 11-9 at Mansfield (richland county) >fairgrounds. > >Send me an e-mail, and I can give you my Ph#. > >Thanks, Scott > > > Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 16:12:32 -0500 To: libertybell7@earthlink.net From: libertybell7@earthlink.net Subject: Re: puch maxi-luxe problem daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 09:51:05 -0500 (EST) > To: Andrei Zaitsev > Subject: puch maxi-luxe problem > > I have always prided myself on my (supposed) prowess and fixing my 1977 > Puch Maxi-Luxe since I restored it from being stuck in a shed for 15 > years. After I fixed it, it ran fine for about 1000 miles, but now I'm > getting a recurring problem that's getting quite annoying. HELP!!! > > It starts fine and runs for about 15 minutes and then just konks out. It > doesn't respond to the throttle - kind of sounds like it's not taking in > gas/air at that point. When I stick another plug in (I carry one with me > now), it works fine for about another 15 minutes and then konks out. It is > possible that my engine is overheating, but how? It ran fine all summer > and now it's colder!!! > > I have drained the fuel tank and put new gas in, making sure it's the > proper ratio. I also increased the gap in plugs from the recommended 0.016 > (in both Clymer and Haynes manuals) to 0.020. I've also cleaned the > carberatour and air cleaner. The engine doesn't have any appreciable > carbon build up. What else have I done? I regreased the wheel bearings and > changed the tires (but that's got nothing to do with the problem). I've > played with the carb jet needle-it was originally on 2, then I changed it > to 4 (the lowest), then I changed it to 1 (the highest-meaning the needle > is the longest length). I changed my throttle cable and changed the > gearbox fluid (using ATF type F) as recommended by CLymer. It's still > konking out on me halfway to school. It's really not a big deal to get off > the bike and change plugs and then spray carb cleaner into the engine-but > I'd rather not have to go through this in the middle of traffic at 8 am. > ANy suggestions????? > > HELP ME........... > > Michael Liu Hi Michael, Try checking the condition of the points and verify that the point gap is to specs. Sounds like the the timing may be borderline. Just a guess. Good luck and let us know how it turns out.. Best wishes.. Mike Burch Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 18:39:21 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: puch maxi-luxe problem daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 09:51:05 -0500 (EST) > To: Andrei Zaitsev > Subject: puch maxi-luxe problem > > I have always prided myself on my (supposed) prowess and fixing my 1977 > Puch Maxi-Luxe since I restored it from being stuck in a shed for 15 > years. After I fixed it, it ran fine for about 1000 miles, but now I'm > getting a recurring problem that's getting quite annoying. HELP!!! > > It starts fine and runs for about 15 minutes and then just konks out. It > doesn't respond to the throttle - kind of sounds like it's not taking in > gas/air at that point. When I stick another plug in (I carry one with me > now), it works fine for about another 15 minutes and then konks out. It is > possible that my engine is overheating, but how? It ran fine all summer > and now it's colder!!! > > I have drained the fuel tank and put new gas in, making sure it's the > proper ratio. I also increased the gap in plugs from the recommended 0.016 > (in both Clymer and Haynes manuals) to 0.020. I've also cleaned the > carberatour and air cleaner. The engine doesn't have any appreciable > carbon build up. What else have I done? I regreased the wheel bearings and > changed the tires (but that's got nothing to do with the problem). I've > played with the carb jet needle-it was originally on 2, then I changed it > to 4 (the lowest), then I changed it to 1 (the highest-meaning the needle > is the longest length). I changed my throttle cable and changed the > gearbox fluid (using ATF type F) as recommended by CLymer. It's still > konking out on me halfway to school. It's really not a big deal to get off > the bike and change plugs and then spray carb cleaner into the engine-but > I'd rather not have to go through this in the middle of traffic at 8 am. > ANy suggestions????? > > HELP ME........... > > Michael Liu Clean (blow out and/or drill anew) the breathing hole in the tank cap. Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:01:04 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: Re: puch maxi-luxe problem Dear Michael, Take a look at your fuel cut-off valve. It appears that the seals swell over time restricting the flow of fuel. Your engine uses the fuel in the line downstream of the valve, your engine dies, as you replace the plug the line fills up again allowing you to start the engine, allowing you to ride for a little while longer until this fuel is used up........a diabolical cycle. Try placing your cut-off valve in the "reserve" position, that may be a quick fix Good luck and let us know how it works out. See if you had gone to Brooklyn Tech you wouldn't have this problem. Sincerely from another proud maxi owner, John Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:05:13 -0500 (EST) To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Re: Kinetic moped On Mon, 3 Nov 1997 brennan@ramlink.net wrote: > If you had ever made an investment in a business and tried to develop a > "loyalty" with a supplier, you wouldn't be so quick to respond so > negatively to my statement about "under-cutting". I have the information > from Kinetic that shows their dealer prices. Do you have this > information? I don't blame anyone for buying one of these mopeds (not a > scooter, like honda and yamaha sells) as cheaply as they can. What are > they going to do when they have a problem, there aren't going to be any > dealers around to help them, if the dealer's aren't allowed to make a > resonable proftit. At the price they quoted you and at the price Sam's > was selling them for, there is no room for a profit to the dealer. As > you can see from a lot of the statements made here, there are a lot of > people asking for help, is Sam's or Comos going to help them? Most > everyone is referred to some type of dealer by the members of this > group. I certainly hear what you're saying, but still disagree. This is a rock-bottom cheap moped. It's being sold strictly on price. If you bring the price up to dealer level, it's not worth buying IMHO. Should it be sold at that level, it doesn't compete well with better built brands, like Tomos or Jawa. These are consumer trade-offs that everyone gets to decide. If they breakdown too quickly, then yes, I'd expect Sam's to get involved. I seriously doubt many would buy them directly from Cosmos, because the shipping would be too costly and people don't like buying them sight unseen anyway. We need dealers, but we also need really cheap mopeds. And if these Kinetic mopeds breakdown and Sam's won't service them, guess what??? Yeah, that's right ... they'll show up as a customer at your moped shop anyway!! And if they're really junk, you'll sell them something else. There is nothing new about all this. ~ Danny ~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ syracuse ska!! Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:17:32 +0100 To: Subject: Re: puch maxi-luxe problem ---------- | Van: daugava@nothnbut.net | Aan: Moped Mailing List | Datum: maandag 3 november 1997 15:51 | | ************************************************* | Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 09:51:05 -0500 (EST) | To: Andrei Zaitsev | Subject: puch maxi-luxe problem | | | I have always prided myself on my (supposed) prowess and fixing my 1977 | Puch Maxi-Luxe since I restored it from being stuck in a shed for 15 | years. After I fixed it, it ran fine for about 1000 miles, but now I'm | getting a recurring problem that's getting quite annoying. HELP!!! | | It starts fine and runs for about 15 minutes and then just konks out. It | doesn't respond to the throttle - kind of sounds like it's not taking in | gas/air at that point. When I stick another plug in (I carry one with me | now), it works fine for about another 15 minutes and then konks out. It is | possible that my engine is overheating, but how? It ran fine all summer | and now it's colder!!! | | I have drained the fuel tank and put new gas in, making sure it's the | proper ratio. I also increased the gap in plugs from the recommended 0.016 | (in both Clymer and Haynes manuals) to 0.020. I've also cleaned the | carberatour and air cleaner. The engine doesn't have any appreciable | carbon build up. What else have I done? I regreased the wheel bearings and | changed the tires (but that's got nothing to do with the problem). I've | played with the carb jet needle-it was originally on 2, then I changed it | to 4 (the lowest), then I changed it to 1 (the highest-meaning the needle | is the longest length). I changed my throttle cable and changed the | gearbox fluid (using ATF type F) as recommended by CLymer. It's still | konking out on me halfway to school. It's really not a big deal to get off | the bike and change plugs and then spray carb cleaner into the engine-but | I'd rather not have to go through this in the middle of traffic at 8 am. | ANy suggestions????? | | HELP ME........... | | Michael Liu | | HI Michael, You've got the right spirit to drive , as we can read, so dig deep and go to the mopeteers best friends... logic and deduction. Moped=fuel+ ignition+cylinder+exhaust+some extras, not worth mentioning. over heating causes 'to' good running of the engine, not dieing out 1-fuel -new- carb functioning -untill problem- no change here - driving again- (NO problem here) 2-ignition --possible problem go on to it further 3-cylinder, when driving ,no bad performance mentioned, so no problem here 4-exhaust, not mentioned, could also be the big bug, de-carbon job advised, as precaution. 2 ignition: - sparkplug (could be the wrong type aplied?) or 2 bad plugs? -cable leaking current... (only when in wet surr.) -coil: could be not likely -capacitor: same here -points: and here - maybe some el. unit (Naaah) So best tip, check exhaust..... running with tight pipe... slowly poisioning the combustion process... change plug, fresh gas in cylinder, while changing plug, pressure in pipe down, start , ok and the process starts over again... Bye, Peter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Email : staal@concepts.nl Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7858 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:25:58 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: ASprayberr@aol.com Subject: Re: Kinetic moped I'm not going to generalize but I have a quinqo scooter made by the hongying company. I bought it though a suzuki dealer and lets face facts. I am not getting support from my dealer mainly because, their service manual is an owners manual, what I have. Now my kawasaki's, all of them, I have good support from them. what I am saying is this, i like the kinetic, BUT if your dealer can't get what you need from the importer, it really doesn't matter where you buy it. Spare parts come to us ( dealer and owner) from the importer. If they can't get what you need, then dealer or not, it isn't a big help. Now I am not going to say that a dealer doesn't have the right to make a profit, by no means am I saying that. What I am saying is this, dealer, what kind of support will the importer give you? If they will give you good support and you will stand behind the product, then I have no problem paying a bit more for the bike. If you can't or won't, forget it, I'll get it (the bike) where ever I can cheapest. discamer: This is strictly an opinion, this opinion is not nessecarly the opinion of this newsgroup or it's monitor.;-) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:48:04 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: PMeyer3191@aol.com Subject: Foxi GT 1977 First of all, "subscribe moped". Secondly, I am fairly new to this web surfing stuff and really new to this moped (old) stuff. I just bought a 1977 Foxi GT moped at an estate auction. It looks to be in great shape but as it has been stored in a barn, the fuel in the bottom of the tank has turned to varnish. I think my other half can clean the tank and carb but I am looking for a source for a replacement fuel valve. Where is the best place to search on the web. I contacted the local cycle shops and they all just scratched their heads (small town). One did say that he thought that the Sachs engine was Austrian made. Would there be another model that is compatible or should I check one of those European cycle places listed on the internet? I'd prefer something more local (continental US or Canada). Any information you can give to a novice like me would be greatly appreciated! PMeyer3191@aol.com Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 15:43:30 -0500 (EST) To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: maxi-luxe 77 problems Woh!!! Wotta response. Man, you guys know your stuff. Lots of stuff to try. Thank you all. ANyway, the moped is dead downstairs. I'm upstairs at school. The moped made it to school fine, and now it won't start up at all-new plug or not. It's just an extension of the previous problem. The throttle just doesn't let the engine turn over on its own and go. It still turns over and actually quite well when I remove the plug and engage the clutch and pedal. However, I called a friend who has a jeep and will give me and my PUCH (it's girl) a ride home and I'm going to try all of the suggestions tonight. All of them sound great. But, I've already checked to make sure the petcock is OK so it's not the fuel shutoff (as we Americans say) valve. It's gonna be working. If not, I'll just order a new thing from Andover. By the way-has anybody tried their performance kits on a PUCH? I noticed that in addition to new engine parts, it comes with an AMAL carb and not a BING. Any thoughts on this??? See you guys on the road (not here in Long Island though). Michael Liu Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:01:51 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: supton@eece.maine.edu Subject: Fuel leakage I bought a moped this summer; its an obscure brand (Demm), but it has some sort of Italian roots; have to read the tag again. My problem is that it leaks fuel like crazy! When I park it, gas flows out of the air box, and onto the engine, and onto the ground... wasting large amount of my fuel. (If had money to burn on gas like this, I would have bought a car in the first place!) I've taken the carb off twice and cleaned it out thourougly; no junk in it. Needle and float don't appear to be sticky, yet that seems to be the problem. The needle itself is one of those rubber tipped ones; how should that look? Could it be worn and not seating well? If so, how can I get one? It's a Dellorto carb. Also, what are common mopeds here in the states? I like riding my moped, but when this one dies (not sure if I want that to happen too soon, but when it goes, onto better?) I would like to get one that has, say, a transmission? Something with 3 or 4 gears, so I can accelerate from a stoplight and go up hills (I know, I know, its a moped) and still have decent top end. My machine has one speed, which is good for a middle gear, but it flat sucks going up hills, and taking off from lights. More speed would be nice, but not the biggest consideration. Shawn Upton mail: supton@eece.maine.edu Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:15:55 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Targa Exhaust Is there any harm in running a moped with the exaust loose? I believe that the Biturbo pipe on my Targa LX is rather loose, because the exaust note has gotten slightly louder and has developed more of a "roar". It is not excessively loud, just moreso than before. The reason it think it's loose vs. "holey" it that on sharp bumps the exaust note gets louder for a split second as the 'ped drives over the bump. Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:36:09 -0500 (EST) To: <199711050253.UAA25136@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: Fuel leakage The fuel shutoff valve (petcock) should be able to cut off the supply before the carb (air filter and all). Mopeds marketed for the USA must have one of these with three positions (on-off-reserve) and I think there's even a law in some states that specifies which way the switch must face in what position. CHeck and see if it is actually leaking out of the filter and carb and not AROUND the outside of the filter and carb. If the latter is the case, check the fuel supply line going from the petcock to the carb-it may not be tight and you may need a new one - or better yet, get a rubber hose and secure it at both ends with clamps. Good luck. Michael Liu On Tue, 4 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:01:51 -0500 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: supton@eece.maine.edu > Subject: Fuel leakage > > > I bought a moped this summer; its an obscure brand (Demm), but it has > some sort of Italian roots; have to read the tag again. My problem is > that it leaks fuel like crazy! When I park it, gas flows out of the air > box, and onto the engine, and onto the ground... wasting large amount of > my fuel. (If had money to burn on gas like this, I would have bought a > car in the first place!) I've taken the carb off twice and cleaned it > out thourougly; no junk in it. Needle and float don't appear to be > sticky, yet that seems to be the problem. The needle itself is one of > those rubber tipped ones; how should that look? Could it be worn and > not seating well? If so, how can I get one? It's a Dellorto carb. > > Also, what are common mopeds here in the states? I like riding my > moped, but when this one dies (not sure if I want that to happen too > soon, but when it goes, onto better?) I would like to get one that has, > say, a transmission? Something with 3 or 4 gears, so I can accelerate > from a stoplight and go up hills (I know, I know, its a moped) and still > have decent top end. My machine has one speed, which is good for a > middle gear, but it flat sucks going up hills, and taking off from > lights. More speed would be nice, but not the biggest consideration. > > Shawn Upton > mail: supton@eece.maine.edu > > > Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 15:34:44 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: drstupid@usa.net Subject: Speedometer??? Ok, a couple days a go I was riding my puch maxi at night and the headlight burnt out...As a result, the tail light and the speedometer also ceased to work (because of a break in the curcuit)...I just replace the headlight and now the tail light works, but the speedometer still does not work at all...I checked all the connections and they are golden, but the speedometer still doesn't function...Is there any solution?? How do I open the speedometer to check if anything looks wrong??? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.. Thanks, Dan btw-Does an amal carb do anything for a stock puch??? Is it only for ones with piston kits?? Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 18:44:41 -0500 To: chrislo@cfw.com From: chrislo@cfw.com Subject: Re: HMW Moped > Halleiner Motorenwerk > Akt. Ges. Hallien-Austria Aktiengesellschaft = joint-stock company > There is a space marked Bauj. 195_ . I will assume the last number > was where the manufacturer would stamp in that particular year, but in > this case did not. you assumed correctly - that means "baujahr" > Are there any vintage moped experts out there? this is odd. as an ex-kraut moped rocker i'm ashamed to say i've never heard of hmw. if i saw one i may be able to tell if another bike "evolved" from them, i.e. if hmw sold their product line to someone else. hmw likely produced things other than mopeds as well; you don't generally turn to the stock market to build a few peds. i'll call some old bud's and see if they know anything. the bike itself probably has an interesting history. Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 20:11:46 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: supton@eece.maine.edu Subject: Re: Fuel leakage daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:36:09 -0500 (EST) > To: <199711050253.UAA25136@mail.valuenet.net> > From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu > Subject: Re: Fuel leakage > > The fuel shutoff valve (petcock) should be able to cut off the supply > before the carb (air filter and all). Mopeds marketed for the USA must > have one of these with three positions (on-off-reserve) and I think > there's even a law in some states that specifies which way the switch must > face in what position. > > CHeck and see if it is actually leaking out of the filter and carb and not > AROUND the outside of the filter and carb. If the latter is the case, > check the fuel supply line going from the petcock to the carb-it may not > be tight and you may need a new one - or better yet, get a rubber hose and > secure it at both ends with clamps. > > Good luck. > > Michael Liu I'd check the fuel shut-off, but there isn't one! All there is a brass fitting that has a hose on it. It may be leaking, but it is hard to seal: I tried to put radiator hose clamps (the smallest ones I could find), and they seemed to hold, but there is no shut off on the tank. Shawn Upton Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 02:26:58 +0100 To: Subject: Re: puch maxi-luxe problem ---------- | Van: daugava@nothnbut.net | Aan: Moped Mailing List | Datum: dinsdag 4 november 1997 20:26 | | ************************************************* | Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 18:39:21 -0500 | To: daugava@nothnbut.net | From: paltron@interlog.com | Subject: Re: puch maxi-luxe problem | | | daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: | > | > ************************************************* | > Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 09:51:05 -0500 (EST) | > To: Andrei Zaitsev | > Subject: puch maxi-luxe problem | > | > I have always prided myself on my (supposed) prowess and fixing my 1977 | > Puch Maxi-Luxe since I restored it from being stuck in a shed for 15 | > years. After I fixed it, it ran fine for about 1000 miles, but now I'm | > getting a recurring problem that's getting quite annoying. HELP!!! | > | > It starts fine and runs for about 15 minutes and then just konks out. It | > doesn't respond to the throttle - kind of sounds like it's not taking in | > gas/air at that point. When I stick another plug in (I carry one with me | > now), it works fine for about another 15 minutes and then konks out. It is | > possible that my engine is overheating, but how? It ran fine all summer | > and now it's colder!!! | > | > I have drained the fuel tank and put new gas in, making sure it's the | > proper ratio. I also increased the gap in plugs from the recommended 0.016 | > (in both Clymer and Haynes manuals) to 0.020. I've also cleaned the | > carberatour and air cleaner. The engine doesn't have any appreciable | > carbon build up. What else have I done? I regreased the wheel bearings and | > changed the tires (but that's got nothing to do with the problem). I've | > played with the carb jet needle-it was originally on 2, then I changed it | > to 4 (the lowest), then I changed it to 1 (the highest-meaning the needle | > is the longest length). I changed my throttle cable and changed the | > gearbox fluid (using ATF type F) as recommended by CLymer. It's still | > konking out on me halfway to school. It's really not a big deal to get off | > the bike and change plugs and then spray carb cleaner into the engine-but | > I'd rather not have to go through this in the middle of traffic at 8 am. | > ANy suggestions????? | > | > HELP ME........... | > | > Michael Liu | Clean (blow out and/or drill anew) the breathing hole in the tank cap. Ha , that's could be the one, Paul. Peter. | | Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:44:21 -0000 To: Subject: Re: puch maxi-luxe problem You mite try checking you coil. sounds like it could be braking down ---------- > From: daugava@nothnbut.net > To: Moped Mailing List > Date: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 7:26 PM > > ************************************************* > Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 16:12:32 -0500 > To: libertybell7@earthlink.net > From: libertybell7@earthlink.net > Subject: Re: puch maxi-luxe problem > > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > > > ************************************************* > > Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 09:51:05 -0500 (EST) > > To: Andrei Zaitsev > > Subject: puch maxi-luxe problem > > > > I have always prided myself on my (supposed) prowess and fixing my 1977 > > Puch Maxi-Luxe since I restored it from being stuck in a shed for 15 > > years. After I fixed it, it ran fine for about 1000 miles, but now I'm > > getting a recurring problem that's getting quite annoying. HELP!!! > > > > It starts fine and runs for about 15 minutes and then just konks out. It > > doesn't respond to the throttle - kind of sounds like it's not taking in > > gas/air at that point. When I stick another plug in (I carry one with me > > now), it works fine for about another 15 minutes and then konks out. It is > > possible that my engine is overheating, but how? It ran fine all summer > > and now it's colder!!! > > > > I have drained the fuel tank and put new gas in, making sure it's the > > proper ratio. I also increased the gap in plugs from the recommended 0.016 > > (in both Clymer and Haynes manuals) to 0.020. I've also cleaned the > > carberatour and air cleaner. The engine doesn't have any appreciable > > carbon build up. What else have I done? I regreased the wheel bearings and > > changed the tires (but that's got nothing to do with the problem). I've > > played with the carb jet needle-it was originally on 2, then I changed it > > to 4 (the lowest), then I changed it to 1 (the highest-meaning the needle > > is the longest length). I changed my throttle cable and changed the > > gearbox fluid (using ATF type F) as recommended by CLymer. It's still > > konking out on me halfway to school. It's really not a big deal to get off > > the bike and change plugs and then spray carb cleaner into the engine-but > > I'd rather not have to go through this in the middle of traffic at 8 am. > > ANy suggestions????? > > > > HELP ME........... > > > > Michael Liu > > > Hi Michael, Try checking the condition of the points and verify that > the point gap is to specs. Sounds like the the timing may be > borderline. Just a guess. Good luck and let us know how it turns out.. > Best wishes.. Mike Burch > > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:18:11 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Derbi SL 50cc HELP I would like to know if you can help me diagnose a few problems with my '84 Derbi. When you try to start it, it requires ALOT of muscle to get it wound up, even before the engine starts turning! I took the engine apart, and didnt see anything out of the ordinary ( NO Manual !) and re-assembled. Now it requires the same amount of force to wind it up, but the engine doesnt revolve ( usually). What a bummer! Any one know where I could get a manual, or even some photocopys? If you are a Derbi 50cc specialists, or, even know enough to be dangerous, I would appreciate hearing from you. Thanks Scott Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:43:33 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Re: Old Honda I have 2 Honda mopeds. They both run, are red and white in color. One of them has a slight running problem right now. it will idle fine, but doesnt want to take the gas when you throttle it. I'm sure a carb cleaning will fix it, as it idles perfectly. I would take $250 for both of them today. Scott Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:58:05 -0000 To: Subject: Re: Kinetic moped I couldn't agree more. I bought two of Kasea's 50cc ATV. I had problem after problem with the one I sold. I had to use so many of the parts from the second one to keep the sold one going, that I no longer could offer the second one for sale. After three months Kasea had not sent the parts I needed, so I packed it up and returned it to them. Now after three more months I have not received my refund. I also bought a bike from Megabike (Traxx). After several months and several requests, I still don't have a complete motorcycle to sell. You are correct, the dealer can't be any better than his/her suppliers. I would be very nervous about becoming a Kinetic dealer. Tony ---------- > From: daugava@nothnbut.net > To: Moped Mailing List > Date: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 7:26 PM > > ************************************************* > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:25:58 -0500 (EST) > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: ASprayberr@aol.com > Subject: Re: Kinetic moped > > > I'm not going to generalize but I have a quinqo scooter made by the hongying > company. I bought it though a suzuki dealer and lets face facts. I am not > getting support from my dealer mainly because, their service manual is an > owners manual, what I have. > Now my kawasaki's, all of them, I have good support from them. > what I am saying is this, i like the kinetic, BUT if your dealer can't get > what you need from the importer, it really doesn't matter where you buy it. > Spare parts come to us ( dealer and owner) from the importer. If they can't > get what you need, then dealer or not, it isn't a big help. > Now I am not going to say that a dealer doesn't have the right to make a > profit, by no means am I saying that. What I am saying is this, dealer, what > kind of support will the importer give you? If they will give you good > support and you will stand behind the product, then I have no problem paying > a bit more for the bike. If you can't or won't, forget it, I'll get it (the > bike) where ever I can cheapest. > discamer: > This is strictly an opinion, this opinion is not nessecarly the opinion of > this newsgroup or it's monitor.;-) > Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 22:36:52 -0500 To: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:15:55 -0500 (EST) > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: AaronM428@aol.com > Subject: Targa Exhaust > > Is there any harm in running a moped with the exaust loose? I believe that > the Biturbo pipe on my Targa LX is rather loose, because the exaust note has > gotten slightly louder and has developed more of a "roar". It is not > excessively loud, just moreso than before. The reason it think it's loose > vs. "holey" it that on sharp bumps the exaust note gets louder for a split > second as the 'ped drives over the bump. my boyfriend tim has a targa lx and he sugguests that you just tighten it up and it should be fine....take care..and enjoy Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 22:31:57 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: browncrew@juno.com Subject: Re: Kinetic There is another brand available in NYC for $550 or so still in the box. It is the Testi. They are supposedly a good brand. Keith Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:01:24 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: drstupid@usa.net Subject: Ciao?? Where can I buy the 30th anniversary piaggio vespa ciao??? Thanks a lot, Dan ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:05:48 -0600 To: "Mailing List" Subject: Interesting link - Moped Business for sale Check this out: http://www.relocatable.com/5-23-97.htm They talk about importer of cheap mopeds, who wants to sell his business. Unfortunately, there is no contact info (at least not in the online version), but the reading is very interesting. Andrew Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 22:40:08 +0100 To: Subject: Re: HMW Moped Hello Bill, fellow mopedeers, At 14:26 4-11-97 -0500, you wrote: >************************************************* >Date: 03 Nov 1997 12:20:12 -0800 >To: "DAUGAVA@NOTHNBUT.NET" >Subject: HMW Moped >I am trying to establish a year of manufacture for an HMW Moped. >Halleiner Motorenwerk >Akt. Ges. Hallien-Austria >There is a space marked Bauj. 195_ . I will assume the last number was where the manufacturer would stamp in that particular year, but in this case did not. >Are there any vintage moped experts out there? This information is not enough for an expert to establish the date of manufacture.. Do you have a picture of this moped which you could e-mail? I do have some info on these mopeds (Dutch workshop manuals and parts-list) and I would scan some pictures for you to see if it's the same moped we're talking about, but my scanner refuses to work with Windoze 95. (anybody got Win95 software for a Logitech 256 handheld?) But we can try and determine what type it is on descriptions too; Does it have any gears? How about the frame and forks, does it have any suspension at all? What colour is the paint on the moped (only original paint of course) What is exactly stamped in the type-plate on the engine? Something like 50ZT or ET1 or 50N.... Cheers, Hans Hartman Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 02:05:21 -0500 (EST) To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Re: Kinetic moped On Tue, 4 Nov 1997 brennan@ramlink.net wrote: > I couldn't agree more. I bought two of Kasea's 50cc ATV. I had problem > after problem with the one I sold. I had to use so many of the parts > from the second one to keep the sold one going, that I no longer could > offer the second one for sale. After three months Kasea had not sent > the parts I needed, so I packed it up and returned it to them. Now > after three more months I have not received my refund. I also bought a > bike from Megabike (Traxx). After several months and several requests, I > still don't have a complete motorcycle to sell. You are correct, the > dealer can't be any better than his/her suppliers. I would be very > nervous about becoming a Kinetic dealer. Very much agree and am surprised that not everyone realizes this. A strong dealer network that has a reliable source of parts and supplies is critical to keeping any vehicle on the road. While I admire the pioneering souls who are the first to buy something, I'd much prefer myself to wait and see if they stick around and how reliable the product is. There have been an incredible number of moped makes sold at one time or another in the US and an amazing number of people trying to hunt down parts for obscure brands. ~ Danny ~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ syracuse ska!! Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 02:09:03 -0500 (EST) To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Re: Ciao?? On Tue, 4 Nov 1997 drstupid@usa.net wrote: > Where can I buy the 30th anniversary piaggio vespa ciao??? For starters, I'd ask Vespa Supershop in San Diego -- the best place in the US for Vespa/Piaggio moped anything. If they don't have them, they should certainly know who does. ~ Danny ~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ syracuse ska!! Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 05:15:18 -0500 (EST) To: Danny Subject: Re: Kinetic moped On Tue, 4 Nov 1997 ASprayberr@aol.com wrote: > I'm not going to generalize but I have a quinqo scooter made by the > hongying company. I bought it though a suzuki dealer and lets face > facts. I am not getting support from my dealer mainly because, their > service manual is an owners manual, what I have. Better known as Kasea, it uses a Suzuki engine and transmission, though I seriously doubt Suzuki wants to be responsible for repairing them. > Now my kawasaki's, all of them, I have good support from them. what I > am saying is this, i like the kinetic, BUT if your dealer can't get what > you need from the importer, it really doesn't matter where you buy it. > Spare parts come to us ( dealer and owner) from the importer. If they > can't get what you need, then dealer or not, it isn't a big help. Now I > am not going to say that a dealer doesn't have the right to make a > profit, by no means am I saying that. What I am saying is this, dealer, > what kind of support will the importer give you? If they will give you > good support and you will stand behind the product, then I have no > problem paying a bit more for the bike. If you can't or won't, forget > it, I'll get it (the bike) where ever I can cheapest. That's why buying obscure makes is so dicey. Look how many posts there are for people struggling to find parts for companies with no American presence. The sad thing is, most people don't think about such things until they already have a problem. ~ Danny ~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ syracuse ska!! Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 09:09:58 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: Ciao?? daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:01:24 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: drstupid@usa.net > Subject: Ciao?? > > Where can I buy the 30th anniversary piaggio vespa ciao??? > Thanks a lot, > Dan > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com Italy and if you are lucky enough not to be subjected to Canadian restrictions, you might even be able to bring it back home. It's nothing special by the way, no shocks in the back and quite hard to ride. If you are ogling a really nice Piaggio moped, go for the Si Mix, all dressed up (with oil pump). Just a suggestion... Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 09:18:58 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: Interesting link - Moped Business for sale daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:05:48 -0600 > To: "Mailing List" > Subject: Interesting link - Moped Business for sale > > Check this out: http://www.relocatable.com/5-23-97.htm > They talk about importer of cheap mopeds, who wants to sell his business. > Unfortunately, there is no contact info (at least not in the online > version), > but the reading is very interesting. > > Andrew I read it and it could easily be the Kinetic importer, Cosmopolitan (the age of the principal is just about right on with the article's description). The bike referred to in there as a 125 lbs moped also sounds like the Magnum or it must be something very similar. The only other I can imagine would be also from India, called Majestic that pursued this "low cost - large volume" marketing idea. They belong to the same industrial group as Hero that makes pedal-less Puch mopeds among other things. Would be interesting to find out. Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 09:20:47 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: Old Honda daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:43:33 -0500 (EST) > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: Huvz@aol.com > Subject: Re: Old Honda > > I have 2 Honda mopeds. They both run, are red and white in color. > > One of them has a slight running problem right now. it will idle fine, but > doesnt want to take the gas when you throttle it. I'm sure a carb cleaning > will fix it, as it idles perfectly. > > I would take $250 for both of them today. > > Scott Exact types, Scott? Pc-50 and/or PA 50? Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:44:52 -0000 To: Subject: Re: Derbi SL 50cc HELP Hey Scott now I know where you get your info from . That old one I got from you has the same thing, it was the rear wheel Thanks Bob ---------- > From: daugava@nothnbut.net > To: Moped Mailing List > Date: Wednesday, November 05, 1997 2:18 AM > > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:18:11 -0500 (EST) > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: Huvz@aol.com > Subject: Derbi SL 50cc HELP > > > I would like to know if you can help me diagnose a few problems with my '84 > Derbi. > > When you try to start it, it requires ALOT of muscle to get it wound up, even > before the engine starts turning! > I took the engine apart, and didnt see anything out of the ordinary ( NO > Manual !) > and re-assembled. Now it requires the same amount of force to wind it up, but > the engine doesnt revolve ( usually). What a bummer! > Any one know where I could get a manual, or even some photocopys? > If you are a Derbi 50cc specialists, or, even know enough to be dangerous, > I would appreciate hearing from you. > > Thanks Scott > > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:11:35 -0000 To: Subject: Re: Old Honda Scott, I would be interested in buying both of your mopeds. Please email or call me with description of each, year, model, condition, etc. I also need to know where you are located. Thanks, Tony Phone: 614-533-2266 ---------- > From: daugava@nothnbut.net > To: Moped Mailing List > Date: Wednesday, November 05, 1997 3:31 AM > > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:43:33 -0500 (EST) > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: Huvz@aol.com > Subject: Re: Old Honda > > > I have 2 Honda mopeds. They both run, are red and white in color. > > One of them has a slight running problem right now. it will idle fine, but > doesnt want to take the gas when you throttle it. I'm sure a carb cleaning > will fix it, as it idles perfectly. > > I would take $250 for both of them today. > > Scott > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:49:46 -0000 To: Subject: AMF Mopped Where can I get parts for the AMF. The ignition system is out of it everything else is working on it. It is a nice looking ped. It has the McCulloch engine on it.Will McCulloch have parts or do I go to the Harley? It is a Roadmaster model 400612d Any info will help Thankyou Bob Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 11:42:56 -0700 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: rose@ChronologicSystems.com Subject: Mopeds on bike paths Is it legal to use a moped on a bike path if you are pedalling? What mopeds (if any) are best suited for this? I am looking for a cross over machine. Calgary has an excellent path system but I live too far from work to commute by bicycle. Something I could peddle on the paths when it is flat and then switch to the motor (on the road) when it gets hilly or I get tired. Any thoughts? Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:20:33 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Dashaun84@aol.com Subject: Re: Old Honda OK I live in Hillside New Jersey.I can give you $50 and pay for the S&H for either of your mopeds as long as it runs Do you have any scooters Date: 05 Nov 1997 12:47:52 -0800 To: "daugava@nothnbut.net" Subject: Mopeds on bike paths To @REPLY Bill Metteer. Seattle WA To WILMET WILLIAM R METTEER From @INET (HO) Type N 11-05-97 12:13p FROM: daugava@nothnbut.net ************************************************* Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 11:42:56 -0700 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: rose@ChronologicSystems.com Subject: Mopeds on bike paths Is it legal to use a moped on a bike path if you are pedalling? What mopeds (if any) are best suited for this? I am looking for a cross over machine. Calgary has an excellent path system but I live too far from work to commute by bicycle. Something I could peddle on the paths when it is flat and then switch to the motor (on the road) when it gets hilly or I get tired. Any thoughts? Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:30:21 -0600 To: "Mailing List" Subject: Tomos article The other day I received Tomos brochure from Andover Cycles (thanks, Lance!). I learned that in June 97 issue of Motorcycle Product News there's Tomos Targa LX on the cover and inside they have an article called "Mopeds & scooters - who's really buying them ?". So far, I only seen the cover page, but I contacted the publisher and ordered the back issue. Andrew Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:34:58 -0500 (EST) To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths || > Is it legal to use a moped on a bike path if you are pedalling? What || || I asked a retired police officer that I know here in Seattle and he || told me it is technically illegal, however if you point out that the || engine is cold he probably won't give you a ticket. He can give you a || ticket if he wants to, so I thought I would avoid that one and stay off || the bike path. Well, that may be the law in Washington, but what about Alberta? Does anyone know the law regarding this in Ontario? On my route to work I shut off my engine and pedal across a pedestrian/bicycle overpass over the Queensway, and I wouldn't mind knowing if it's legal or not. At least, I hope bicycles are allowed on that overpass... Hmmm... -Mike ___________________________________________________________ Michael Anttila aka PsychoMan of Craw Productions 3A Pure Math / Computer Science at U. of Waterloo, Canada E-Mail: manttila@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca Homepage: http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~manttila/ Craw Productions: craw@magi.com, http://www.magi.com/~craw/ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 15:02:34 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: drstupid@usa.net Subject: Re: [Re: Ciao??] daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: >> ************************************************* >> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 09:09:58 -0500 >> To: daugava@nothnbut.net >> From: paltron@interlog.com >> Subject: Re: Ciao?? >> >> >> daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: >> > >> > ************************************************* >> > Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:01:24 >> > To: daugava@nothnbut.net >> > From: drstupid@usa.net >> > Subject: Ciao?? >> > >> > Where can I buy the 30th anniversary piaggio vespa ciao??? >> > Thanks a lot, >> > Dan >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________________ >> > Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com >> Italy and if you are lucky enough not to be subjected to Canadian >> restrictions, you might even be able to bring it back home. >> It's nothing special by the way, no shocks in the back and quite hard to >> ride. If you are ogling a really nice Piaggio moped, go for the Si Mix, >> all dressed up (with oil pump). Just a suggestion... >> Well all I know is that my friends late 70s ciao is the best moped I've ever had the privilage to ride..Where might I be able to get a Si Mix? (I know its really similar to to ciao, I've seen em' before)... Thanks a lot, Dan ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:05:46 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Gokartridr@aol.com Subject: Re: Fuel leakage try checking the fuel line for leaks or if it has dried or cracked Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:51:32 -0500 (EST) To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Re: Interesting link - Moped Business for sale On Wed, 5 Nov 1997 paltron@interlog.com wrote: > > Check this out: http://www.relocatable.com/5-23-97.htm > > They talk about importer of cheap mopeds, who wants to sell his business. > > Unfortunately, there is no contact info (at least not in the online > > version), but the reading is very interesting. > I read it and it could easily be the Kinetic importer, Cosmopolitan Just read it and am very convinced that it IS Cosmopolitan Motors for sale. Fits them in every way ... just started selling a low-cost moped through major merchandisers, looking to sell a 50cc scooter soon, been in business for 50 years, sells bicycles and parts. Yep, that's them. ~ Danny ~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ syracuse ska!! Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 18:10:29 -0500 To: paltron@interlog.com From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 11:42:56 -0700 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: rose@ChronologicSystems.com > Subject: Mopeds on bike paths > > Is it legal to use a moped on a bike path if you are pedalling? What > mopeds (if any) are best suited for this? I am looking for a cross over > machine. Calgary has an excellent path system but I live too far from > work to commute by bicycle. Something I could peddle on the paths when > it is flat and then switch to the motor (on the road) when it gets hilly > or I get tired. Any thoughts? I would wholeheartedly suggest that you try pedalling a moped first.. Iy's not that easy and on many models the pedals are just an ornament Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:51:17 -0800 (PST) To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths How about something like a Solex or Whizzer- an engine that attaches to your bicycle? They don't perform as well as a moped but your bicycle will be a better bicycle for pedaling than a moped would. The cost would be less also and you'd get less hassle on the bike path. There are also elctric motored bicycles like the EV Warrior. They are intended to be a bicycle with an auxiliary motor for going up hills or taking a break from pedaling. -Dave On Wed, 5 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 11:42:56 -0700 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: rose@ChronologicSystems.com > Subject: Mopeds on bike paths > > > Is it legal to use a moped on a bike path if you are pedalling? What > mopeds (if any) are best suited for this? I am looking for a cross over > machine. Calgary has an excellent path system but I live too far from > work to commute by bicycle. Something I could peddle on the paths when > it is flat and then switch to the motor (on the road) when it gets hilly > or I get tired. Any thoughts? > > > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:54:52 -0800 (PST) To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Re: AMF Mopped If my attempts to get Aermacci made Harley parts from Harley are any indication, you're way better off with McCulloch. -Dave > > > Where can I get parts for the AMF. The ignition system is out of it > everything else is working on it. It is a nice looking ped. It has the > McCulloch engine on it.Will McCulloch have parts or do I go to the Harley? > It is a Roadmaster model 400612d Any info will help > > Thankyou > > Bob > > > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:57:52 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: SPETSANTI@aol.com Subject: Re: Tomos article andrew You have a broshure on TOMOS ! that's cool I would appreciate it if you could send me the address and phone # and e-mail address for that dealer I have a '79 tomos I bought for my son and the silly thing quit running (no fire to the points) and I need to find a shop manual for it ........Please help Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:59:09 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: CrUsHeR78@aol.com Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths First of all the gear ratio on the pedaling system of a moped is so low that you will be pedaling extremly fast and barely moving. The pedals are mostly just for starting the moped. If you get caught by the cops just tell them you didn't know. They won't give you a ticket. Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:01:00 -0800 (PST) To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Re: Interesting link - Moped Business for sale > > Just read it and am very convinced that it IS Cosmopolitan Motors for > sale. Fits them in every way ... just started selling a low-cost moped > through major merchandisers, looking to sell a 50cc scooter soon, been in > business for 50 years, sells bicycles and parts. Yep, that's them. > > ~ Danny ~ > So, how much are they asking? BTW Cosmopolitan Motors also was the US importer for Moto Guzzi motorcycles. They may still be for all I know. -Dave Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:38:55 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Re: Old Honda tony , I am in mansfield, OH 60 miles from you. One is a PA50 the other a Hobbit, they are nearly identical.... Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:51:24 -0500 To: Subject: Re: [Re: Ciao??] >Well all I know is that my friends late 70s ciao is the best moped I've ever had the privilage to ride..Where might I be able to get a Si Mix? (I know its really similar to to ciao, I've seen em' before)... >Thanks a lot, >Dan > Dan, The Si Mix is not being imported either unfortunatley, but if you are willing to settle for the same machine w/o an oil pump (meaning you have to premix like other ordinary people), there is a good chance you will find one; juts keep your ears and eyes open. If you want to see what it looks like, go to the Moped Magazine's "gallery" or "museum" section and look for it under "Italy". http://www.interlog.com/~paltron/moped Ciao Paul Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:58:01 -0500 To: Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths At 04:01 PM 11/5/97 -0800, you wrote: >************************************************* >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:59:09 -0500 (EST) >To: daugava@nothnbut.net >From: CrUsHeR78@aol.com >Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths > > >First of all the gear ratio on the pedaling system of a moped is so low that >you will be pedaling extremly fast and barely moving. The pedals are mostly >just for starting the moped. If you get caught by the cops just tell them >you didn't know. They won't give you a ticket. > The funny thing is that in most European countries, you are allowed to be on a bikepath so long as you do not exceed 25 kmh (18 mph). In fact, it is even being encouraged as to reduce accident rates. But then again, bike paths (at least in Germany for sure) are not along the curb, but in the middle of the sidewalk, thus any kind of interference with cars is practically out of the question. If you do not have a moped yet, shoot for a Mobylette from France. Those are the easiest to pedal and not much more difficult than any 16-17" bicycle. Let us know. Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:38:25 +0900 To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" Subject: RE: Motobecane Mobylette restoration This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCE961.A8CC6BC0 Content-Type: text/plain Hello Bill, I've got some photos of the whole bike which I took before the restoration, I will scan them in and mail them to you, give me a few days. I will take some close up pictures of the forks themselves and will scan those in when I used up the film, so give me a few weeks for those. I'm sure getting parts shouldn't be too difficult, I was on holiday in Spain a couple of years back and saw a brand new mobylette which I took a picture of, much to my wife's amusement, it didn't look so different from mine. I don't think the fundamental design has changed in years. Regards Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: daugava@nothnbut.net [SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net] > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 1997 8:46 PM > To: Moped Mailing List > Subject: Motobecane Mobylette restoration > > ************************************************* > Date: 01 Nov 1997 09:23:46 -0800 > To: "daugava@nothnbut.net" > Subject: Motobecane Mobylette restoration > > > To @REPLY > Hi Brian, > My name is Bill and I have a 1962 Motobecane Mobylette. You have made > me curious with your description of the front fork. My front fork > looks just like a bicycle fork. I would be happy to exchange photos to > see the differences of our bikes. I would also like to know where you > get parts. > -Bill Metteer > > To WILMET WILLIAM R METTEER From @INET (HO) Type N > 10-29-97 4:51p > FROM: daugava@nothnbut.net > I changed the subject of this message to make it more relevant. I have > taken some pictures of the bike before starting the restoration and > will of course take some afterwards. I'll scan a couple and mail them > to you. > > Right now I'm stuck. I have to get the bike in bits so it can go to > the stove enamellers (sp?) for repainting but at the bottom of each of > the front forks is some kind of sleeve that won't budge. The local > shop even tried heating it but that didn't work. The trouble is that I > don't know how to this sleeve is attached it may be screwed on or > clipped on, (anbody got a manual for a 1963 mobylette ?) Obviously if > I get too rough with it I'll end up breaking it. I'm keeping it coated > in oil at the moment in the hope that this will free the rust and then > I can ease it off. > > I'm looking forward to reassembling the restored parts. This should be > the fun part because the bike will be getting more and more like a > bike whereas at the moment everything I do makes it look less and less > like a bike and more and more like a box of bits. > > Regards > Brian > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: daugava@nothnbut.net [SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net] > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 1997 6:36 AM > > To: Moped Mailing List > > Subject: Re: Help me with parents > > > > ************************************************* > > Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 16:11:38 -0400 (EDT) > > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > > From: TOPOjs@aol.com > > Subject: Re: Help me with parents > > > > > > Sounds like you're doing a very thorough job restoring your bike, > > Brian. Let > > us know how it's going. Any way to give us some pics? 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Hello there, I hate to bug you, but right now I have a 1977 Motobecane that I fixed up, and is in very good shape. The problem that I have with it is when it is warm after a run, and you try to start it up, after it has been turned off, it won't start. I disconnected the kill switch, and I am suspecting the points, because I have covered just about everything else. The only problem is, I can't get to them. The cover to the points is bolted on, and no matter how hard I try with a rachet, I can't get it off. I did fill the cylinder with oil to get a hydraulic pressure effect, this pressure gave me a good hold on the bolt, but I still wasn't able to take it off with around 155 pounds of torque. Is there a special way to release this cover? Any help would be much appreciated. Sincerely, =-=-=-=-=-RICH Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:17:30 -0000 To: Subject: Re: Tomos article I have a parts manual that should list the parts you need. Let me know what parts you are interested in and I will look them up and give you an estimate of what they would cost. I can order them for you and would be happy to ship them to you. If you like you can call me after 5pm EST at 614-533-2266. Tony ---------- > From: daugava@nothnbut.net > To: Moped Mailing List > Date: Thursday, November 06, 1997 12:01 AM > > ************************************************* > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:57:52 -0500 (EST) > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: SPETSANTI@aol.com > Subject: Re: Tomos article > > > andrew > You have a broshure on TOMOS ! that's cool I would appreciate it if you > could send me the address and phone # and e-mail address for that dealer I > have a '79 tomos I bought for my son and the silly thing quit running (no > fire to the points) and I need to find a shop manual for it ........Please > help > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:30:52 +0900 To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" Subject: RE: Motobecane Mobylette restoration --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jean, Thanks for replying, can you give me some more details ? Is the tool supplied by motobecane and do I have any chance of getting one ? Is there anything else I could use ? Just to make sure we are talking about the same part the forks look = like this (not to scale :-) ) [ handle bar end] | | | | | | | | || || <---- sleeves '' || ''=20 || <---- greased shaft || MM [front wheel axle]=20 I am assuming that I remove the greased shaft (have done this) and then insert the puller, Then the end bar on the puller somehow springs out when passed the end of the sleeves thust enabling me to pull the off. = Am I right ? Regards Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: daugava@nothnbut.net [SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net] > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 1997 5:32 PM > To: Moped Mailing List > Subject: Re: Motobecane Mobylette restoration >=20 > ************************************************* >=20 > Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 11:51:37 -0500 > To: > Subject: Re: Motobecane Mobylette restoration >=20 >=20 > I have to get the bike in bits so it can go to the > >stove enamellers (sp?) for repainting but at the bottom of each of > the > >front forks is some kind of sleeve that won't budge. The local shop > even > >tried heating it but that didn't work. The trouble is that I don't > know > >how to this sleeve is attached it may be screwed on or clipped on, > >(anbody got a manual for a 1963 mobylette >=20 > If you want to remove those sleeves at the end of the fork, you need = a > special tool (a kind of puller) to pull them out... >=20 > The tool look like this..... >=20 > |*| > ----| |---- =20 > |_| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > !|!------------->!=3Dsleeves > !|! > !|!=20 > -|- >=20 > Ciao!!! > Jean-S=E9bastien Laurin > ------------------------------------------------ > Parts and restorations on 60's and 70's mopeds > Motob=E9cane, Solex, Puch and more >=20 >=20 --MimeMultipartBoundary-- Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:24:35 -0800 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: l33@juno.com Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust On Tue, 04 Nov 1997 22:31:57 EST daugava@nothnbut.net writes: >************************************************* >Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 22:36:52 -0500 >To: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net >From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net >Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust > > >daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: >> >> ************************************************* >> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:15:55 -0500 (EST) >> To: daugava@nothnbut.net >> From: AaronM428@aol.com >> Subject: Targa Exhaust >> >> Is there any harm in running a moped with the exaust loose? I >believe that >> the Biturbo pipe on my Targa LX is rather loose, because the exaust >note has >> gotten slightly louder and has developed more of a "roar". It is >not >> excessively loud, just moreso than before. The reason it think it's >loose >> vs. "holey" it that on sharp bumps the exaust note gets louder for a >split >> second as the 'ped drives over the bump. >my boyfriend tim has a targa lx and he sugguests that you just tighten >it up and it should be fine....take care..and enjoy > > > it should be okay if it is loose, just a little bit louder. it won't hurt anything. just tighten it up if you can. Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:01:19 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: ASprayberr@aol.com Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths Well this may not be much help, But in a town near where I live one path in particular has a sign that says no motorized vehicles. Others don't. of course, ignorance is no excuse. But I say, if there isn't a sign, how can you know each particular path and it's laws. Good question, hard answer. If this was the orient, no one would realy care, mopeds, scooters adn cars as well as motorcycles all travel together because of the slow speed limit and bikes just stay to the side of the road. Don't know about canada, eh? Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:23:27 -0800 (PST) To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: Re: Interesting link - Moped Business for sale > Accordingly, only about $400,000 in cash is needed to buy the > business" > > Andrew > > > Damn! and me out of pocket change. Think they'd take a check ;) -Dave Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:41:38 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: ASprayberr@aol.com Subject: Re: Old Honda Where are you located at? Would you be willing to sell just one, i.e. the one with the throttle problem? Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:45:09 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: ASprayberr@aol.com Subject: Re: Kinetic moped Well, like I said, the parts are the thing. I was going to buy a dirt bike ( was a dual sport in it's country of origin) named Xing Fu. It was 1200 bucks. But after long thought, I have decided to buy a Kawasaki KE100 dual sport. Basicly the same bike except here in america the KE100 is a legal dual sport. yes it will cost me more but if something happens to it I have: a warranty A dealer with access to parts and an opportunity to buy a parts bike from any year, engine parts are interchangeable. This outweighs the pro's of the Xing Fu. It is a cool looking bike though. Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 13:26:42 -0500 To: chrislo@cfw.com From: chrislo@cfw.com Subject: Mopeds on bike paths in most European countries, you are allowed to be on a bikepath so long as you do not exceed 25 kmh (18 mph). In fact, it is even being encouraged as to reduce accident rates. But then again, bike paths (at least in Germany for sure) are not along the curb, but in the middle of the sidewalk, thus any kind of interference with cars is practically out of the question. if you travel thru "radically green" university towns like tuebingen in germany, you will find many two-way streets converted into one-way streets with bike paths (avec concrete planters) taking up one full lane. the idea is to make a relatively small town a nightmare to drive thru with a car, especially if you don't know your way around. this may cause you to blow so much more exhaust into the air by driving in circles, but it will teach you a lesson, tourist: namely to buy a bike, moped, or to just walk. if you don't like it, don't come back. good for mopedeers, you say. hey, were talking germany here. this means more stupid laws are added to top even that: no mopeds on tuebinger bike paths, they must stay on road, but cars now may go no faster than 25 km/h. then, if there's only one bike path, say, on the left side of the road you're traveling down, you aren't allowed to ride it against traffic. THATS NOT SAFE, WILL DISTRACT MOTORISTS. cops lurk in wait, checking your papers (insurance, license, moped specs, the ISO seal of approval in your helmet), fining you for using/not using a bike path, low tread on tires or ANY modification, a faulty or missing manual bicycle-type bell (used to warn cyclists and pedestrians who can't hear you coming - THE BELL THEY'LL HEAR, RIGHT!?) funny: signals lights were never mandatory on mopeds - go figure. as i've said before, mopeds are great, but if they were to become really popular, you know the law would eventually take a lot of fun out of riding. even tree huggers can come to hate the toxic little things if they think about it long enough. p.s. sorry, reading "germany" just set me off. Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 13:30:43 -0500 To: paltron@interlog.com From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: AMF Mopped This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3B3718571E9C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:54:52 -0800 (PST) > To: Moped Mailing List > Subject: Re: AMF Mopped > > If my attempts to get Aermacci made Harley parts from Harley are any > indication, you're way better off with McCulloch. > > -Dave > > > > > > > Where can I get parts for the AMF. The ignition system is out of it > > everything else is working on it. It is a nice looking ped. It has the > > McCulloch engine on it.Will McCulloch have parts or do I go to the Harley? > > It is a Roadmaster model 400612d Any info will help > > > > Thankyou > > > > Bob > > > > > > And if you guys want to see how a Harley-brand moped looks like, here it is (attached). Ugly like hell. ANDREW: The picture is at /d/moped/mop-hd.jpg BTW, I may have a picture of Airmacci-HD moped - it's much better looking than AMF one. I'll see if I can find it. Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 13:43:44 -0500 To: paltron@interlog.com From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:34:58 -0500 (EST) > To: Moped Mailing List > Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths > > || > Is it legal to use a moped on a bike path if you are pedalling? What > || > || I asked a retired police officer that I know here in Seattle and he > || told me it is technically illegal, however if you point out that the > || engine is cold he probably won't give you a ticket. He can give you a > || ticket if he wants to, so I thought I would avoid that one and stay off > || the bike path. > > Well, that may be the law in Washington, but what about Alberta? Does > anyone know the law regarding this in Ontario? On my route to work I shut > off my engine and pedal across a pedestrian/bicycle overpass over the > Queensway, and I wouldn't mind knowing if it's legal or not. > > At least, I hope bicycles are allowed on that overpass... Hmmm... > > -Mike > ___________________________________________________________ > Michael Anttila aka PsychoMan of Craw Productions > 3A Pure Math / Computer Science at U. of Waterloo, Canada > E-Mail: manttila@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca > Homepage: http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~manttila/ > Craw Productions: craw@magi.com, http://www.magi.com/~craw/ The Highway Traffic Act regulates all motorised vehicles the same. If the engine is off, you have to push it; can't ride it. Consequently, you must stay off bike lanes. Because of the absence of mopeds en masse from Canadian (Ontario) roads, I guess it is up to the individual authority figure to pass judgment. I never had any problem parking my 'ped on the sidewalk, in a bike rack, etc. Scooters do not have that freedom. We need more mopeds. Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:45:25 -0600 To: "Mailing List" Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths > Well this may not be much help, But in a town near where I live one path in > particular has a sign that says no motorized vehicles. To make matters more confusing, the bike path here, in Saint Louis also says "no motor vehicles", but, according to latest statutes, moped is exempted from the definition of "motor vehicle"! I rode Bike Machine on that path once. Nobody gave me trouble, but after a while I decided that I was making too much noise, turned engine off and pedaled :) Andrew Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:25:24 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: ACassin105@aol.com Subject: faster mopeds does anybody know of any moped hop-ups. I heard of the big bore kits I want to know if they give you a different head for the engine or do you have to get it bored out. Also doe they have anything other than the big bore kits and turbo muflers. I already have a turbo mufler and a little bit bigger jet and my moped can reach about 54 on a flat road and a none windy day so how fast do the big bore kits make you go? Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:43:58 -0700 To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" Subject: RE: Mopeds on bike paths Well I am impressed and appreciative with the responses I received. This is quite an ardent group. Based on recommendations that I received by more than one individual in this group, I have begun looking at motor kits for standard bikes. Anyone in this group look into it, have any feelings (i.e. electric vs gas), or are these bike kits of no interest to moped enthusiasts? Thanks again. Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:08:39 -0800 To: agner@erols.com From: agner@erols.com Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:34:58 -0500 (EST) > To: Moped Mailing List > Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths > > || > Is it legal to use a moped on a bike path if you are pedalling? What > || > || I asked a retired police officer that I know here in Seattle and he > || told me it is technically illegal, however if you point out that the > || engine is cold he probably won't give you a ticket. He can give you a > || ticket if he wants to, so I thought I would avoid that one and stay off > || the bike path. > > Well, that may be the law in Washington, but what about Alberta? Does > anyone know the law regarding this in Ontario? On my route to work I shut > off my engine and pedal across a pedestrian/bicycle overpass over the > Queensway, and I wouldn't mind knowing if it's legal or not. > > At least, I hope bicycles are allowed on that overpass... Hmmm... > > -Mike > ___________________________________________________________ > Michael Anttila aka PsychoMan of Craw Productions > 3A Pure Math / Computer Science at U. of Waterloo, Canada > E-Mail: manttila@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca > Homepage: http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~manttila/ > Craw Productions: craw@magi.com, http://www.magi.com/~craw/ In NJ it is legal to take a ped on a bike trail/path. Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:03:47 EST To: daugava@shell.nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Targa Exaust In a message dated 97-11-04 20:36:42 EST, you write: << That reminds me of how I first installed Bi-Turbo. I had no gasket (in fact, I didn't know what gasket was) and I couldn't attach it tightly. Boy, did it roar! Night riding was like a challenge to those who sleep. But since I got the new gasket and special bolts to, it's quiet again - and most of the time I like it this way. Andrew >> This Biturbo was installed by the place I bought the Targa LX from, so I assume that they did put the gasket on. Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:13:58 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths In a message dated 97-11-05 15:36:10 EST, you write: << Is it legal to use a moped on a bike path if you are pedalling? What mopeds (if any) are best suited for this? I am looking for a cross over machine. Calgary has an excellent path system but I live too far from work to commute by bicycle. Something I could peddle on the paths when it is flat and then switch to the motor (on the road) when it gets hilly or I get tired. Any thoughts? >> I do not believe that there is a true moped that would be anywhere near light enough for what you describe. The closest gasoline powered one (Velo Solex) weighs in at around 68 lbs. Most 'peds weigh around 100 lbs. Your best bet would be an electric "helper motor" for your bicycle. They typically have a top speed of 15-20 mph, more if you pedal along with it, and a range of 10-15 miles, though some claim that pedaling along doubles (or more) the range. All the ones I have seen fit to the front wheel with the battery pack along the top bar (mens bike). Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:27:24 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths In a message dated 97-11-06 15:44:47 EST, you write: << We need more mopeds. >> I could not agree more. If there are more mopeds, maybe we, the riders, can convince our governments that mopeds really are different than other "motor vehicles". VIVA LE MOPED! Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 17:16:43 -0500 (EST) To: <199711070300.VAA10976@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: faster mopeds 54????? 54 what?? MPH - your bike's gonna fall apart one day. 54 KMH??? - that's faster than a moped should go. I'd love mine to do that. Michael Liu On Thu, 6 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:25:24 -0500 (EST) > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: ACassin105@aol.com > Subject: faster mopeds > > > does anybody know of any moped hop-ups. I heard of the big bore kits I want > to know if they give you a different head for the engine or do you have to > get it bored out. > > > > Also doe they have anything other than the big bore kits and turbo > muflers. > > I already have a turbo mufler and a little bit bigger jet and my > moped can reach about 54 on a flat road and a none windy day so how fast do > the big bore kits make you go? > > > Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 15:35:10 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: drstupid@usa.net Subject: Re: [faster mopeds] daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: >> ************************************************* >> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:25:24 -0500 (EST) >> To: daugava@nothnbut.net >> From: ACassin105@aol.com >> Subject: faster mopeds >> >> >> does anybody know of any moped hop-ups. I heard of the big bore kits I want >> to know if they give you a different head for the engine or do you have to >> get it bored out. >> >> >> >> Also doe they have anything other than the big bore kits and turbo >> muflers. >> >> I already have a turbo mufler and a little bit bigger jet and my >> moped can reach about 54 on a flat road and a none windy day so how fast do >> the big bore kits make you go? >> Wow..What kind of moped do you have?? Dan ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 15:43:51 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: drstupid@usa.net Subject: Re: [Question...] daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: >> ************************************************* >> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 23:12:33 -0500 >> To: raa97003@uconnvm.uconn.edu >> From: raa97003@uconnvm.uconn.edu >> Subject: Question... >> >> >> Hello there, >> I hate to bug you, but right now I have a 1977 Motobecane that I >> fixed up, and is in very good shape. The problem that I have with it is >> when it is warm after a run, and you try to start it up, after it has >> been turned off, it won't start. I disconnected the kill switch, and I >> am suspecting the points, because I have covered just about everything >> else. The only problem is, I can't get to them. The cover to the >> points is bolted on, and no matter how hard I try with a rachet, I can't >> get it off. I did fill the cylinder with oil to get a hydraulic >> pressure effect, this pressure gave me a good hold on the bolt, but I >> still wasn't able to take it off with around 155 pounds of torque. Is >> there a special way to release this cover? Any help would be much >> appreciated. >> Sincerely, >> =-=-=-=-=-RICH >> Two Words: Reverse Thread DS ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 17:52:07 -0500 To: paltron@interlog.com From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: Question... daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 23:12:33 -0500 > To: raa97003@uconnvm.uconn.edu > From: raa97003@uconnvm.uconn.edu > Subject: Question... > > Hello there, > I hate to bug you, but right now I have a 1977 Motobecane that I > fixed up, and is in very good shape. The problem that I have with it is > when it is warm after a run, and you try to start it up, after it has > been turned off, it won't start. I disconnected the kill switch, and I > am suspecting the points, because I have covered just about everything > else. The only problem is, I can't get to them. The cover to the > points is bolted on, and no matter how hard I try with a rachet, I can't > get it off. I did fill the cylinder with oil to get a hydraulic > pressure effect, this pressure gave me a good hold on the bolt, but I > still wasn't able to take it off with around 155 pounds of torque. Is > there a special way to release this cover? Any help would be much > appreciated. > Sincerely, > =-=-=-=-=-RICH The bolt holding the magneto flywheel is left-threaded. To undo it, you must turn it cloclwise. Should come off fairly easy; except that with 155 pounds you made it pretty tight. I doubt it's the points - with them defective, it either wouldn't start at all or would stall. Check your mixture (should be 4%) and blow out the breathing hole in the gas cap. This last little thing can cause havoc. Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:17:02 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Re: AMF Mopped Yo Bob, I have the owners manual for that bike, y'know. Scott Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:31:06 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths You could try to find a AMF Roadmaster. When in bicycle mode, the drive system is just like a plain old single speed bicycle crank and sprocket. The motor (50cc) drops on top of the back wheel when you need motor assist. You could also get a Bike Machine motor to adapt to your bicycle. Scott H Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 04:18:35 +0100 To: peter_tomos@geocities.com From: peter_tomos@geocities.com Subject: Re: [faster mopeds] daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 15:35:10 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: drstupid@usa.net > Subject: Re: [faster mopeds] > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > >> ************************************************* > >> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:25:24 -0500 (EST) > >> To: daugava@nothnbut.net > >> From: ACassin105@aol.com > >> Subject: faster mopeds > >> > >> > >> does anybody know of any moped hop-ups. I heard of the big bore kits I want > >> to know if they give you a different head for the engine or do you have to > >> get it bored out. > >> > >> > >> > >> Also doe they have anything other than the big bore kits and turbo > >> muflers. > >> > >> I already have a turbo mufler and a little bit bigger jet and my > >> moped can reach about 54 on a flat road and a none windy day so how fast do > >> the big bore kits make you go? > >> > > Wow..What kind of moped do you have?? > Dan 50cc mmmmmmmmmm 230 km/h fast enough, on the circuit they drive with 24 mm carb and 17000+ rpm some times even harder... (50cc superblock in an 125cc race frame) so why more bore , it is not so legal and no fun, it gives more hp's and with other chain wheels a better top ....;) DO THE PORTING JOB, the most satisfying job there is :) Peter. Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:23:41 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: Re: AMF Mopped Scot now is a nice time to tell me see you tomorrowAt 09:17 PM 11/6/97 EST, you wrote: >************************************************* >Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:17:02 EST >To: daugava@nothnbut.net >From: Huvz@aol.com >Subject: Re: AMF Mopped > > >Yo Bob, > I have the owners manual for that bike, y'know. >Scott > > > > Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 23:56:37 -0500 To: laurinj@videotron.ca From: laurinj@videotron.ca Subject: Re: Question... At 13:43 06/11/1997 -0500, you wrote: >************************************************* >Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 23:12:33 -0500 >To: raa97003@uconnvm.uconn.edu >From: raa97003@uconnvm.uconn.edu >Subject: Question... > > >Hello there, > I hate to bug you, but right now I have a 1977 Motobecane that I >fixed up, and is in very good shape. The problem that I have with it is >when it is warm after a run, and you try to start it up, after it has >been turned off, it won't start. I disconnected the kill switch, and I >am suspecting the points, because I have covered just about everything >else. The only problem is, I can't get to them. The cover to the >points is bolted on, and no matter how hard I try with a rachet, I can't >get it off. I did fill the cylinder with oil to get a hydraulic >pressure effect, this pressure gave me a good hold on the bolt, but I >still wasn't able to take it off with around 155 pounds of torque. Is >there a special way to release this cover? Any help would be much >appreciated. >Sincerely, >=-=-=-=-=-RICH > Hi, the tread of the bolt on the flywheel of the motobecane engine in invese, so you have to take it off the way you screw normaly... an other thing, instead of filling the cylinder with oil put about 1/2 foot of rope (nylon) in. it will stop the rotation of the piston so you'll be able to release the cover. Sincerely Jean-Sébastien Laurin ************************* *Parts and restoration * *on 60's and 70's mopeds* ************************* Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:05:56 -0000 To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" Subject: RE: Question... --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RICH, Keep bugging us, I haven't started to look at the engine on my Motobecane restoration, I have that joy to come, but now I know to watch out for the problem you describe and thanks to the chaps replying know how to avoid it. This is what mailing lists are all about. Regards Brian >-----Original Message----- >From: daugava@nothnbut.net [SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net] >Sent: Thursday, November 06, 1997 6:44 PM >To: Moped Mailing List >Subject: Question... > >************************************************* >Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 23:12:33 -0500 >To: raa97003@uconnvm.uconn.edu >From: raa97003@uconnvm.uconn.edu >Subject: Question... > > >Hello there, > I hate to bug you, but right now I have a 1977 Motobecane that I >fixed up, and is in very good shape. The problem that I have with it is >when it is warm after a run, and you try to start it up, after it has >been turned off, it won't start. I disconnected the kill switch, and I >am suspecting the points, because I have covered just about everything >else. The only problem is, I can't get to them. The cover to the >points is bolted on, and no matter how hard I try with a rachet, I can't >get it off. I did fill the cylinder with oil to get a hydraulic >pressure effect, this pressure gave me a good hold on the bolt, but I >still wasn't able to take it off with around 155 pounds of torque. Is >there a special way to release this cover? Any help would be much >appreciated. >Sincerely, >=-=-=-=-=-RICH > --MimeMultipartBoundary-- Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 07:23:11 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Re: Old Honda Im in OHIO , and , yes I would sell one. Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 11:39:59 -0500 To: paltron@interlog.com From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: faster mopeds daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 17:16:43 -0500 (EST) > To: <199711070300.VAA10976@mail.valuenet.net> > From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu > Subject: Re: faster mopeds > > 54????? > > 54 what?? MPH - your bike's gonna fall apart one day. > > 54 KMH??? - that's faster than a moped should go. > > I'd love mine to do that. > > Michael Liu > > On Thu, 6 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > > ************************************************* > > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:25:24 -0500 (EST) > > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > > From: ACassin105@aol.com > > Subject: faster mopeds > > > > > > does anybody know of any moped hop-ups. I heard of the big bore kits I want > > to know if they give you a different head for the engine or do you have to > > get it bored out. > > > > > > > > Also doe they have anything other than the big bore kits and turbo > > muflers. > > > > I already have a turbo mufler and a little bit bigger jet and my > > moped can reach about 54 on a flat road and a none windy day so how fast do > > the big bore kits make you go? > > > > > > Here is a little insight about top speeds. Manufacturers, supplying product for different markets with different speed limits, apply one or usually more of these simple tricks: 1. Carburator jet size. 2. Rear wheel chain sprocket diameter 3. Limiting peg on the mainshaft for pulley movement (belt-pulley type automatic transmissions) Simply jetting up or changing the exhaust will not do much for top speed, but will improve acceleration. Best treatment is to change the cylinder/carb/exhaust as a whole but then you are in illegal (off-road) waters. Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 11:45:57 -0500 To: paltron@interlog.com From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:31:06 EST > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: Huvz@aol.com > Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths > > You could try to find a AMF Roadmaster. > When in bicycle mode, the drive system is just like a plain old single speed > bicycle crank and sprocket. The motor (50cc) drops on top of the back wheel > when you need motor assist. > You could also get a Bike Machine motor to adapt to your bicycle. > Scott H Or scout garage sales, junkuards, et al for a Velosolex mounted on a Schwinn. I had one of those and it is not only a perfect bike, but also a total riot as you zoom along at 18 mph. Whew! Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 16:19:25 -0500 To: chrislo@cfw.com From: chrislo@cfw.com Subject: faster mopeds > 2. Rear wheel chain sprocket diameter to 2. i must say many mopeds already have tiny ones. furthermore, you usually can't pull a potato skin off a table (as the saying goes) anymore if the sprockets too small. its like trying to accelerate a ten speed bike in tenth gear from a dead stop. i found it better to tune up then put a larger one in back (or a more hidden smaller one in front if possible). this takes a bit of speed away again, but i move forward faster, which is a "problem" with a lot of mopeds. Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:45:29 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: faster mopeds In a message dated 97-11-07 02:38:31 EST, you write: << I already have a turbo mufler and a little bit bigger jet and my moped can reach about 54 on a flat road and a none windy day so how fast do the big bore kits make you go? >> What kind of moped? If it is a Tomos, where did you get the jet? My Targa LX will hit an indicated 43 mph on flat ground on a windless day. The speedo is accurate, I tested it against a local "speed trap". It amazes me that a bigger jet and Biturbo muffler can get that kind of performance increase, but I have the Biturbo and it alone added 10 mph to the top speed. Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:43:49 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@shell.nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Re: Old Honda (fwd) I'll get back with you on Monday. I am taking the bikes to a "vintage bike" swap meet on Sunday, and hope to come home alone. If I dont, I will let you know. Thanks Scott Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:50:12 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust You will have to bend down and look at your exhaust, then you may get the answer to your question. I would reccomend tightening it up or whatever it needs, it shouldnt be a big project. Question, Does it run better since the exhaust came loose? Good luck. Scott Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 01:11:14 -0500 (EST) To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: soup-up engine kits for peds I'm seriously thinking about souping up my PUCH with one of those crazy kits. I know they cost more than twice what my moped originally cost, and I could almost get a used motorcycle for that amount of money. I was wondering the following: WHat is the actual increase in performance-not in cc or hp, but top speed? What is the subsequent decrease in gas mileage? Is it structurally OK to use this for extended periods of time. Mopeds weren't made to withstand tons of abuse! Anyone who has actual experience with one of these kits, I would like to know your opinions and if you have any recommendations. Thanx. Michael Liu Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:56:59 -0000 To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" Subject: RE: faster mopeds ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCEC36.2BCA5240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i would like to know where you purchased these options. please let me know. tony at brennan@ramlink.net, thanks ---------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net[SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net] Sent: Friday, November 07, 1997 4:45 PM To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Re: faster mopeds ************************************************* Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:45:29 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: faster mopeds In a message dated 97-11-07 02:38:31 EST, you write: << I already have a turbo mufler and a little bit bigger jet and my moped can reach about 54 on a flat road and a none windy day so how fast do the big bore kits make you go? >> What kind of moped? If it is a Tomos, where did you get the jet? My Targa LX will hit an indicated 43 mph on flat ground on a windless day. The speedo is accurate, I tested it against a local "speed trap". It amazes me that a bigger jet and Biturbo muffler can get that kind of performance increase, but I have the Biturbo and it alone added 10 mph to the top speed. Date: 08 Nov 1997 14:34:09 -0800 To: "daugava@nothnbut.net" Subject: RE: Mopeds on bike paths To @REPLY To WILMET WILLIAM R METTEER From @INET (HO) Type N 11-06-97 1:14p FROM: daugava@nothnbut.net ************************************************* Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:43:58 -0700 To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" Subject: RE: Mopeds on bike paths Well I am impressed and appreciative with the responses I received. This is quite an ardent group. Based on recommendations that I received by more than one individual in this group, I have begun looking at motor kits for standard bikes. Anyone in this group look into it, have any feelings (i.e. electric vs gas), or are these bike kits of no interest to moped enthusiasts? Thanks again. Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 19:28:20 -0800 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: l33@juno.com Subject: Re: Question... On Thu, 06 Nov 1997 13:43:44 -0500 daugava@nothnbut.net writes: >************************************************* >Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 23:12:33 -0500 >To: raa97003@uconnvm.uconn.edu >From: raa97003@uconnvm.uconn.edu >Subject: Question... > > >Hello there, > I hate to bug you, but right now I have a 1977 Motobecane that >I >fixed up, and is in very good shape. The problem that I have with it >is >when it is warm after a run, and you try to start it up, after it has >been turned off, it won't start. I disconnected the kill switch, and >I >am suspecting the points, because I have covered just about everything >else. The only problem is, I can't get to them. The cover to the >points is bolted on, and no matter how hard I try with a rachet, I >can't >get it off. I did fill the cylinder with oil to get a hydraulic >pressure effect, this pressure gave me a good hold on the bolt, but I >still wasn't able to take it off with around 155 pounds of torque. Is >there a special way to release this cover? Any help would be much >appreciated. >Sincerely, >=-=-=-=-=-RICH > > > try a metric wrench if you are using a standard and it isn't gripping well Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 13:39:48 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: jcoplanj@brookings.net Subject: Vespa for sale I put that ad on the mailing list and talked to a few guys that were interested in that Vespa that guy in my town had for sale. I gave his number to three or four people, and nobody ever told me if they talked to him or what. I would like to know if anyone did and what he said so if I ever get any more interest in it (from the archives on the web page), I'll know what to tell them. Thanks, Jeff Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 13:45:51 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: jcoplanj@brookings.net Subject: Puch won't idle OK--- I have the 77 puch maxi that won't idle. I put a different carburetor on it (from another maxi) and that didn't do anything for me. I took the petcock out and cleaned that all out and that didn't do anything for me. This means the problem is not in the fuel line and it is not in the carb, right? It's not in the air intake, because I ran similar tests on it without the air filter on and it didn't make any difference. Exhaust is clean. I'm positive it's not electrical or points or any junk like that. Where else could it be? It will run if I give it gas-usually. Sometimes it will not start (or only start after trying a ton). Sometimes it will run for a while (three times it has run for almost exactly a quarter of a mile every time) about 5 minutes. And then it won't start again. HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP I know everyone is getting tired of hearing about this stupid moped but I bought this thing and paid over $200 for it and now the damn thing is going to run if it's the last thing that I do before I go six feet under. Thanks Jeff Coplan Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 13:45:21 PST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: britton14@hotmail.com Subject: NEED MOPED!!!! Will pay $250!! I have been trying to get a moped for years-but so far every deal has fell through. The moped I'm getting won't start, is missing primary parts, etc. I live in Northern Virginia and will pay $250 for any moped that is in good running condition. Thanks, -Britton ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:18:18 -0500 (EST) To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: WHat happend to the ML? I haven't got a message from this ML in three days, I hope that the list still lives. In the absence of this list, I started to surf and found that although there were no real moped dealers on Long Island, there are actually 2 near me in Connecticut, one in New Jersey, and no less than three from my childhood home of Rhode Island. I called each and every one and they are BONAFIDE dealers. These aren't people who carry motorcycles and happened to have one type of new moped for like $1200. They have used mopeds and parts. Wow!!! REal moped dealers. The price of a used ped is a little stiff-like upwards from $300. But for that price you're probably also getting a totally working unit and a guarantee plus support. One weekend I gotta trek up and see all these guys. Michael Liu Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:40:14 GMT To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Philip.Kuhl@ping.be Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths I'm an Auxiliary Police Officer in the Commonwealth of Virginia when I am at home in the US. Laws vary from locality to locality, but most of Northern Virginia's dedicated bicycle paths are clearly marked: No motorized vehicles. That clearly precludes mopeds! It would be UNWISE, as has been suggested on the list, to use a moped on bike paths that are so marked and assume a police officer is not going to give you a ticket. Would you park your car next to a No Parking sign and expect not to get a ticket? If in doubt about the laws regarding moped where you live, the simplest and most accurate solution is to call your local police department or department of motor vehicles and ask! The answer they give you is far more likely to be correct than are the well-intentioned guesses of members of this list who do NOT live where you do and are unlikely to be conversant with your local traffic laws. Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:40:33 -0500 (EST) To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: hello No mailings for the the last 3 days-what's the deal. moped moped moped moped I want my fix!!! Michael Liu Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:46:38 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: uni_hacker@juno.com Subject: Needed Jawa Part I am looking for a side piece to a Jawa moped I believe it is a '86 or '87. Either way, I need the LEFT side piece to it. It MUST be black in color! Thanks again! Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:52:12 -0800 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: lincoln33@juno.com Subject: Re: Vespa for sale hey i got the guys number and talked to him about it ups probably wont ship because it is too big and it costs a lot to ship. i am still very interested in it if i can get it, but i am in colorado. Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:57:22 -0800 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: lincoln33@juno.com Subject: re:found you a good deal on mopeds talk to anthony cilwa in new hampshire if that isn't too far. he has two harley mopeds, two honda mopeds, and an awesome italian moped. i am in colorado so i am too far, but if i were you i would talk to him. he is selling the harleys for 250, the hondas for 250, and the italian one for 250. it is very nice. anyway, his email address is xcash@mindspring.com. Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:03:07 -0500 To: paltron@interlog.com From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: Puch won't idle daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: s > > Jeff Coplan There could be a hairline crack in the cylinder or crankcase so the engine takes on air that of course will lean out the mixture, ergo not enough gas to burn. Have you tried YOUR carb on another engine whether it repeats the same problem?If the other engine will idle OK, then you have a bad engine. No question about it. But if it doesn't work properly, then you have a bad carb. Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:11:43 -0800 To: artgoulet@bigfoot.com From: agoulet@flash.net Subject: Need advice w/ Tomos shift-speed prob. Hi! I'd appreciate some advice regarding a persistent shift-speed problem I'm having with my new Tomos Targa moped, bought from a dealer in Burbank, CA. The moped now has about 600 miles on it and is still under warranty. I am 54 years old, and after a few heart attacks, I am no longer under warranty! But I love the moped. Ever since I bought it 2 weeks ago, the moped has had recurring problems with the upshift to second gear occurring at about 17-19 mph, which is way past the torque peak of the engine in first gear. The result is that when starting off the moped from a stop, the engine revs up considerably in first gear before finally getting the moped fast enough to switch to 2nd gear. However, after passing about 15 mph in first gear, further acceleration is very little, and it feels as if the speed will "never" get high enough to enable the upshift. In fact, this problem creates an intolerable safety problem in traffic: after a decent start, the speed flattens out as the moped is still straining in first gear, and cars behind me aren't expecting the sudden lack of acceleration at such a low speed. This problem was fixed once by the dealer, through a "factory-authorized" series of radial cuts in the clutch face, which is supposed to improve transmission oil flow through the clutch. It worked fine after that, with the upshift occurring around 13-14 mph. That is clearly about the best speed to upshift for smooth acceleration to 30 mph. However, another problem developed about 100 miles later, a screw coming loose inside the engine that caused it to lock up. That too was fixed, but immediately afterwards, the old upshift-speed problem recurred. In addition, the upshift itself happens very slowly, with only a gradual settling into 2nd gear. The dealer says that only a new clutch will fix the problem (covered under warranty). The dealer's repair shop seems honest, but I'm wondering just what internal device in the engine and transmission controls the speed at which the moped upshifts, and is this in any way user-adjustable. Frankly, I can't see what the clutch face has to do with it; the clutch seems to work fine from a standing start. In addition, I wonder whether the characteristics of the transmission oil might affect the upshift speed. The manual calls for DEXRON Type A, and I presume that's what the dealer uses. Any knowledgable advice will be much appreciated!!! Please email directly to me at: artgoulet@bigfoot.com Thanks! Arthur Goulet Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:18:33 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: JoeVR5@aol.com Subject: Searching for a moped... Hi everybody!! My name is Joe and I am looking for a moped to buy that is under 5-600 dollars. I live in Northern Virginia. I would appreciate it greatly if anyone has any suggestions, or hints about buying a moped. Thanks!! -Joe Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:47:35 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: gerhart@netusa1.net Subject: Honda Elite 50 hop up parts? I am new to this list, which was billed to me as being for users of mopeds and small automatic scooters. I have the latter. I have an Elite SR which goes about 37 mph on level ground without wind. I would like it to go about 45-50. Probably taller gearing, a tuned exhaust system, and righer jetting to go with the tuned exhaust would do the trick. I know there are parts sold various places around the world to hop up the Honda 50cc two stroke scooters, but I have not found any source of such parts in the US, except Hawaii, and the place I contacted was not in the business of selling by mail. Does anyone know of a reputable mail order place which sells such stuff. Any suggestions on where to get these parts would be appreciated. TIA Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:09:06 -0600 To: "Mailing List" Subject: Cosmopolitan Motors on the Web Cosmopolitan Motors is the company that imports Kinetic moped I found their URL yesterday: http://www.full-motion-net.com/cosmo/ Andrew Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:41:40 -0500 To: paltron@interlog.com From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: Need advice w/ Tomos shift-speed prob. daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:11:43 -0800 > To: artgoulet@bigfoot.com > From: agoulet@flash.net > Subject: Need advice w/ Tomos shift-speed prob. > > Hi! > > I'd appreciate some advice regarding a persistent shift-speed problem > I'm having with my new Tomos Targa moped, bought from a dealer in > Burbank, CA. The moped now has about 600 miles on it and is still under > warranty. I am 54 years old, and after a few heart attacks, I am no > longer under warranty! But I love the moped. > > Ever since I bought it 2 weeks ago, the moped has had recurring problems > with the upshift to second gear occurring at about 17-19 mph, which is > way past the torque peak of the engine in first gear. The result is > that when starting off the moped from a stop, the engine revs up > considerably in first gear before finally getting the moped fast enough > to switch to 2nd gear. However, after passing about 15 mph in first > gear, further acceleration is very little, and it feels as if the speed > will "never" get high enough to enable the upshift. > > In fact, this problem creates an intolerable safety problem in traffic: > after a decent start, the speed flattens out as the moped is still > straining in first gear, and cars behind me aren't expecting the sudden > lack of acceleration at such a low speed. > > This problem was fixed once by the dealer, through a > "factory-authorized" series of radial cuts in the clutch face, which is > supposed to improve transmission oil flow through the clutch. It worked > fine after that, with the upshift occurring around 13-14 mph. That is > clearly about the best speed to upshift for smooth acceleration to 30 > mph. > > However, another problem developed about 100 miles later, a screw coming > loose inside the engine that caused it to lock up. That too was fixed, > but immediately afterwards, the old upshift-speed problem recurred. In > addition, the upshift itself happens very slowly, with only a gradual > settling into 2nd gear. The dealer says that only a new clutch will fix > the problem (covered under warranty). > > The dealer's repair shop seems honest, but I'm wondering just what > internal device in the engine and transmission controls the speed at > which the moped upshifts, and is this in any way user-adjustable. > Frankly, I can't see what the clutch face has to do with it; the clutch > seems to work fine from a standing start. > > In addition, I wonder whether the characteristics of the transmission > oil might affect the upshift speed. The manual calls for DEXRON Type A, > and I presume that's what the dealer uses. > > Any knowledgable advice will be much appreciated!!! Please email > directly to me at: > artgoulet@bigfoot.com > > Thanks! > > Arthur Goulet Arthur, re shifting problems This is an inherent issue with each and every 2-speed 'ped powerplants I've seen. Whether Garelli, Jawa, Puch or Tomos, they all act up. The typical problem is that microscopic amounts of grease or oil get into the shifting clutch chamber so the shoes begin to slip. They are so bloody sensitive that even just touching the shoes by hand will do it. Simplest cure is to degrease the shoes with alcohol or another agent. The dealer should also check if the main seals there are good; maybe some oil is trickling in from the gearbox. Also, try not to rev the engine up real hard when you take off; you'll notice that it will shift much easier if you just throttle 2/3 or so. But the key is the degreasing. Good luck Paul Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:13:46 -0500 To: paltron@interlog.com From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Kreidler mopeds I would appreciate any info on the MP-9. A nice picture would be welcome too. Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:24:19 -0000 To: Subject: Re: NEED MOPED!!!! Will pay $250!! i have a 1992 mopet, locally made moped with a sachs engine. it has 2000 miles on it, but is in better than average condition. has new rear tire and tube, is black in color. asking $495.00 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:30:31 -0000 To: Subject: Re: Need advice w/ Tomos shift-speed prob. i am printing your message, and will contact tomos for suggestions. as soon as i hear something back, i will email the information to you. tony at brennan@ramlink.net Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:14:11 -0800 (PST) To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Re: Puch won't idle I believe someone suggested that you check the carb vent to the tank and check the tank vent. Next time the bike dies, try starting it with the gas cap off of the tank. Either that or a clogged fuel filter, dirty petcock or kinked fuel line can cause the symptoms that you describe. When it dies, try pouring a little gas down the carb throat. If it starts back up, then it's a fuel starvation problem. -Dave Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:56:22 -0500 (EST) To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Re: Honda Elite 50 hop up parts? On Tue, 11 Nov 1997 gerhart@netusa1.net wrote: > I have an Elite SR which goes about 37 mph on level ground without wind. > I would like it to go about 45-50. Probably taller gearing, a tuned > exhaust system, and righer jetting to go with the tuned exhaust would do > the trick. I know there are parts sold various places around the world > to hop up the Honda 50cc two stroke scooters, but I have not found any > source of such parts in the US, except Hawaii, and the place I contacted > was not in the business of selling by mail. Does anyone know of a > reputable mail order place which sells such stuff. Any suggestions on > where to get these parts would be appreciated. Vespa Supershop in San Diego should have most of what you want and does tons of mailorder. I'm pinning down who in Florida has the stuff also. ~ Danny ~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ syracuse ska!! Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 09:01:45 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: bibeault@lando.ENET.dec.com Subject: RE: Mopeds on bike paths Hi, I have a Bike Machine. It weighs 12 lbs and bolts to the frame. Runs flawlessly. Pulls my heavy frame (210 lbs) right along. My nephews and wife love it. Fun. Engine made by Mitsubushi. About 1.2 hp if memory serves me correctly. I bought it new about 13 years ago. Top speed? I dunno. Fast enough though! Regards, Marc marc.bibeault@pko.mts.dec.com Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 09:13:13 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: bibeault@lando.ENET.dec.com Subject: RE: re:found you a good deal on mopeds Mopeds? How about just trying the local "Want Advertiser" or Trader type weekly publications. In our area there are ***tons*** of mopeds, scooters, motorcycles, etc, etc, etc, for sale everyday. Why bother dealing with long distance USED mechandise for what amount to everyday prices. I certainly wouldn't recommend a long distance purchase + SHIPPING for such a common item that I would be willing to bet is available locally. Try the papers. Make a few phone calls and get out to see and TRY a moped before you buy. There's lots of cheap mopeds around!!! Regards, Marc marc.bibeault@pko.mts.dec.com Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 09:50:01 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: bibeault@lando.ENET.dec.com Subject: RE: Honda Elite 50 hop up parts? Hi, I have an Elite 80. It'll do 48 mph with my heavy (210 lb) butt and it's running old gas and needs a tune up!!! It also carries 2 legally - nice benefit, don't you think ;^) I'd recommend this - enjoy the 50 for what it is, save the modification costs and eventually trade up to the 80 cc version. Also, the 80 is 4 stroke and very ( shhhh.... ) _quiet_. Regards, Marc marc.bibeault@pko.mts.dec.com Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:48:20 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com Subject: Re: Puch won't idle Jeff, Just a thought...though my experience is only on JAWA...check the intake manifold connection on the cylinder head side. One of the studs on my JAWA has become stripped and causes an air leak their. Intake manifold leaks are notoriously more serious at idle. Chuck Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:23:30 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Munsoned4U@aol.com Subject: looking for a cheap bike I am new to the list and i am just looking for an inexpensive moped. Maybe one that looks like a Vespa but isn't. I would like to call a dealer or something but i feel retarded not knowing any of the lingo so if anyone knows of a bike that looks like a Vespa just tell me. or if anyone has a cheap moped that lives in california write me back. Thanks a bonch Mike Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:50:01 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Dashaun84@aol.com Subject: Re: Searching for a moped... Hi Joe there is a pretty new line of mopeds out called Kinetic that cost around that price range and under.But still they are a new line so we dont know just how reliable they are.GOOD LUCK Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:17:42 -0500 (EST) To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: 60 cc kit I didn't get any postings from this ML for three days and started jonesin'. SO what did I do, I got in my car and drove to Steve's Moped Shop in Dumont (about 3 hours) and bought a 60 cc kit:cyclinder, piston,rings,manifold carb,biturbo-the works. It takes a little less than 3 hours to stick in. Definite performance increase-I'm still corresponding with Steve to sort some things out-I'll keep you posted on the results and the final word. Michael Liu Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:44:37 -0500 (EST) To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: speedometer for PUCH Maxi My 60 cc kit goes faster than 30 mph-not much more this point, it'll take some tuning. But it did burn out the speedometer on my bike (max of 30).That's actually not a problem. What I want to know is ARE THERE ARE ANY SPEEDOMETERS THAT WILL WORK WITH A PUCH MAXI THAT GO UP TO 50 mph??? I am currently using a bicycle digital speedometer so I can see my speed during the day, but I want a neat analog one with a needle that can keep track of my total miles plus is backlit? Any ideas??? Michael Liu Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:27:10 +0100 To: Subject: Re: Need advice w/ Tomos shift-speed prob. Hello , At 19:18 11-11-97 -0500, Arthur Goulet (artgoulet@bigfoot.com) wrote: >Ever since I bought it 2 weeks ago, the moped has had recurring problems >with the upshift to second gear occurring at about 17-19 mph, which is >way past the torque peak of the engine in first gear. The result is >that when starting off the moped from a stop, the engine revs up >considerably in first gear before finally getting the moped fast enough >to switch to 2nd gear. However, after passing about 15 mph in first >gear, further acceleration is very little, and it feels as if the speed >will "never" get high enough to enable the upshift. Sounds like the wrong kind of oil to me. We sell about 2-3 Tomoses every week, and *never* had that problem before! >This problem was fixed once by the dealer, through a >"factory-authorized" series of radial cuts in the clutch face, which is >supposed to improve transmission oil flow through the clutch. It worked >fine after that, with the upshift occurring around 13-14 mph. That is >clearly about the best speed to upshift for smooth acceleration to 30 >mph. I think your dealer stinks.. In my career in repairing Tomos I haven't done such a repair. The clutch system works fine for us, and lasts at least 2 years of normal use.. >However, another problem developed about 100 miles later, a screw coming >loose inside the engine that caused it to lock up. That too was fixed, Of course, it was your dealers fault anyway, that screw obviously wasn't tightened down enough. It was the M10 nut on the crankshaft holding the clutch assembly, wasn't it? Or was it the nut holding the front chainwheel? >but immediately afterwards, the old upshift-speed problem recurred. In >addition, the upshift itself happens very slowly, with only a gradual >settling into 2nd gear. The dealer says that only a new clutch will fix >the problem (covered under warranty). Let him replace the clutch, and change the oil afterwards yourself. This will do the trick for sure. >The dealer's repair shop seems honest, but I'm wondering just what >internal device in the engine and transmission controls the speed at >which the moped upshifts, and is this in any way user-adjustable. No, it's not adjustable (unless you swap the two springs that is). The Tomos is fitted with two sets of clutches with three shoes. These shoes are held together with a spring. If the engine revs up, the shoes are gradually pushed outward. If they used a 2nd gear spring in the 1st gear clutch, you'll have the same trouble as with wrong oil. >Frankly, I can't see what the clutch face has to do with it; the clutch >seems to work fine from a standing start. >In addition, I wonder whether the characteristics of the transmission >oil might affect the upshift speed. The manual calls for DEXRON Type A, >and I presume that's what the dealer uses. Do not guess, be sure. Drain the oil by unsrewing the bolt underneath the engine (spanner size 13). Turn the drain plug back in. Unscrew the little plug (philips screw) on the left hand side of the engine this is the level plug. Unscrew the filler plug on top of the engine (spanner size 13). Fill with the oil (ATF Dexron) untill oil emerges from the little plug hole. Cheers, Hans Hartman Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:38:26 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: UPURZ@webtv.net Subject: Jawa Super Sport I am looking for late model - new or like new super sport Jawa. Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 16:47:00 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: bibeault@lando.ENET.dec.com Subject: RE: looking for a cheap bike to Mike, (Munsoned4U@aol.com) Pls provide a little more insight regarding wanting a moped "...one that looks like a Vespa but isn't". Do you mean you're looking for a 'vintage' moped or actually a scooter with a metal body? or a newer version of a scooter like a Honda scooter or a Yamaha scooter (these have plastic bodies) that may be either 2 or 4 cycle. Probably most important: Where do you plan to travel on it? What speeds? How much capacity is needed (1 or 2 people), what is the budget for this? etc, etc... Do you have any mechanical experience with engines, etc? I'm sure you'll get plenty of input!!! Regards, Marc Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:58:02 PST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: britton14@hotmail.com Subject: Re: NEED MOPED!!!! Will pay $250!! sorry, but i can't pay more than $250 for it. >From daugava@nothnbut.net Wed Nov 12 12:35:25 1997 >Received: from mail.valuenet.net ([207.230.63.44]) > by mail.valuenet.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP > id OAA30411; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:19:51 -0600 >From: daugava@nothnbut.net >Message-Id: <199711122019.OAA30411@mail.valuenet.net> >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:17:42 -0500 (EST) >Subject: Re: NEED MOPED!!!! Will pay $250!! >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >To: "Moped Mailing List" >Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:24:19 -0000 >To: >Subject: Re: NEED MOPED!!!! Will pay $250!! > > >i have a 1992 mopet, locally made moped with a sachs engine. it has 2000 >miles on it, but is in better than average condition. has new rear tire and >tube, is black in color. asking $495.00 > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:05:35 +0100 To: Subject: Re: Puch won't idle ---------- | Van: daugava@nothnbut.net | Aan: Moped Mailing List | Datum: dinsdag 11 november 1997 18:40 | | ************************************************* | Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 13:45:51 -0500 | To: daugava@nothnbut.net | From: jcoplanj@brookings.net | Subject: Puch won't idle | | | OK--- | | I have the 77 puch maxi that won't idle. | | I put a different carburetor on it (from another maxi) | and that didn't do anything for me. | | I took the petcock out and cleaned that all out | and that didn't do anything for me. | | This means the problem is not in the fuel line | and it is not in the carb, right? | | It's not in the air intake, because I ran similar | tests on it without the air filter on and it didn't | make any difference. | | Exhaust is clean. | | I'm positive it's not electrical or points or any junk | like that. | | Where else could it be? outof gas ? | | It will run if I give it gas-usually. | Sometimes it will not start (or only start after trying | a ton). | | Sometimes it will run for a while (three times it has run for | almost exactly a quarter of a mile every time) strangely always From home ? ;) never to.. about 5 minutes. | And then it won't start again. | | HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP | | I know everyone is getting tired of hearing about this stupid | moped but I bought this thing and paid over $200 for it and | now the damn thing is going to run if it's the last thing | that I do before I go six feet under. | | Thanks | | Jeff Coplan | | | Hi Jeff, mopi trouble again.mmm bad. but as you found out youselve it must be ignition, standard answer, change plugs (even if it looks ok), adjust timing , point gap and it must be running. but in this case it could also be the capacitor too, it loads or warms up and stops functioning ?, also loose contacts (behind the flywheel #@$#@$) could happen (not that often , you never know) if you managed to use a 'spare' carb from some one maybe you may even use his/ her ignition for an hour ? put it on and i think it runs like before (check timing after interchange). never checked timing ? next time.. Bye, Peter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Email : staal@concepts.nl Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 http://home.westbrabant.net/~staal/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:56:57 +0100 To: Subject: Re: soup-up engine kits for peds ---------- | Van: daugava@nothnbut.net | Aan: Moped Mailing List | Datum: dinsdag 11 november 1997 18:40 | | ************************************************* | Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 01:11:14 -0500 (EST) | To: Andrei Zaitsev | Subject: soup-up engine kits for peds | | | I'm seriously thinking about souping up my PUCH with one of those crazy | kits. I know they cost more than twice what my moped originally cost, and | I could almost get a used motorcycle for that amount of money. | | I was wondering the following: | | WHat is the actual increase in performance-not in cc or hp, but top speed? | | What is the subsequent decrease in gas mileage? | | Is it structurally OK to use this for extended periods of time. Mopeds | weren't made to withstand tons of abuse! | | Anyone who has actual experience with one of these kits, I would like to | know your opinions and if you have any recommendations. | | Thanx. | | Michael Liu | Hi m. you want real answers: -it is not only the money you spend on the purchace, but afterward it also ticks and tick , more speed = more miles in one hour = more petrol in an hour = more wear and tear in one hour etc. -depends on every thing... - think in factor twice or some thing (nice yanking sound costs a lot of dripps) - nope you knew it ! -- i once had a 70cc kreidlercyl. /carb put on the maxi and after a few months the wheels were out of line (permanent) but it run like hell ;) only right corners became harder and harder while the left (always my favourite) got smoother and smoother strange ah. picture : -----xxxxxx_____ (get it ?) why not do a moderate porting job , costs nothing initialy, can't be seen from outside, and makes a lot of fun. Bye, Peter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Email : staal@concepts.nl Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 http://home.westbrabant.net/~staal/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:37:15 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: JoeVR5@aol.com Subject: Mopedd wantedd I am looking for a moped in Northern Virginia that is under $342.67. I am not a very good mechanic, I would like it in running condition. I almost closed a deal on a Targa, but another person outbidded me for it. Will someone please help me out? -Joe Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:43:38 -0500 (EST) To: <199711130132.TAA04312@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: soup-up engine kits for peds moderate porting job?? How. As you guys know, I already bought a 60 cc kit. I noticed the piston got some holes near the crown. I think four. The cyclinder also has some crazy ass ports on it too. The piston also only has one ring. Does anybody know a good book on all this theoretical stuff? It sure would help. Is my carb supposed to stick out at a 45 degree angle FRONT OF BIKE CARB . F . F .F . F F Is it supposed to be on an incline of about 15 degrees-it seems to me the float would be screwed up. It also prevents my fairing from going on. Is this normal? Michael Liu Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:47:58 -0800 To: artgoulet@bigfoot.com From: agoulet@flash.net Subject: Surprising fix for Tomos upshift-speed problem! I can't believe the terrific outpouring of mail I've received on my Tomos upshift problem, almost all of which had very useful suggestions! Many, many thanks for the very detailed help you gave me. Please pardon this "generic" response, but it's the only way I can practically respond to all of you and all of the questions you asked. You may be interested to learn that I have since solved the upshift problem on my own, without the dealer's intervention; it turned out exactly according to the advice I received from several of you who urged me to check and make SURE the correct oil was in the transmission. Sure enough, the dealer had filled the transmission case with MOTOR oil! Not being able to find any Type A Suffix A fluid around here, I drained the motor oil and replaced it with 220 cc of synthetic DEXRON MERCON auto trans oil, and presto -- a properly-functioning moped! The shift point is now a satisfying 14 mph, although the transition from first to second gear is still not quite as firm and quick as I'd like. Occasionally, the upshift feels more solid if I use only a part-throttle acceleration, as one of you suggested, but most often it seems the other way around, with the best shift occurring under full-throttle acceleration. One of you wrote that I should shop around until I found regular (not synthetic) Type A Suffix A fluid, as it seems to work best. This person also very kindly offered to mail me a quart if I couldn't find it (thanks!). First, I'll call around to see if I can locate some locally. For the benefit of any readers who may have occasion to use the dealer where I bought the bike, I'll mention the name: Burbank Kawasaki, in Burbank, CA. Avoid them for reparing mopeds (but I think they may be the ONLY Tomos dealer in the L.A. area). They work mostly on motorcycles, and very rarely sell a moped -- mopeds are practically unknown in the Los Angeles area where I live now (recently moved from Maryland, near Wash. DC). By the way, I paid $800 cash for the new (1995) Tomos Targa, after quite a bit of bargaining -- plus a $45 "documentation fee" (but not including sales tax, registration, or insurance costs). They showed me what I think is the real invoice for the moped, listing a wholesale price of $645, so the markup seems reasonable. Years ago, I owned a 1976 Motobecane moped that gave me years of good service until it was stolen. Earrlier, during the 1960's, I drove a Lambretta 125cc (later a 150cc) motorscooter -- including one long cross-country drive of about 1,850 miles in 5 days, from Miami FL to Hartford CT via a low-speed route (I was being chased up the East Coast by an approaching hurricane). More recently, I drove a Honda Shadow 500 motorcycle, but concluded after watching motorcycle drivers here in L.A. that it was insanity to bring it with me on my move from the DC area last January. Now, while awaiting the delivery of a new car on special order from the factory, I'm finally and happily back to a moped. Here in the San Fernando Valley (western part of L.A.), the streets are very wide, often with bike lanes which mopeds here are allowed to use; and street speed limits on most streets are 35 mph, so I feel reasonably safe riding it around here. Also, drivers in the Valley are generally pretty courteous (until they get on the freeway, where I can't go anyway, and they turn into maniacs). But I do take every possible precaution -- extra-careful driving, plus white-color moped, leather jacket, helmet, a bunch of reflectors and reflective tape all over the bike, and a flashing red bike light glued to my helmet, aimed rearward. Now that I've solved the upshift problem with your help, I just noticed another minor anomaly: I've been suspicious of the extraordinary gas mileage I've been getting -- 220 mpg! So I recently checked the odometer along a walking route that I often take, which I know is 1.1 miles long, as measured by two cars. The Tomos odometer shows the same route as 1.7 miles, or about 50% higher! Any suggestions on the odometer, anyone? Seems as if the odometer was designed for a larger wheel. However, even though I haven't measured the SPEEDometer's accuracy yet, I think that the indicated SPEEDS (not mileage) are about right, judging from the traffic around me and my own perception of the moped's speed. Sounds weird to have the odometer 50% high and the speedometer registering normally at the same time. By the way, my top speed on level without wind is an indicated 33-34 mph, and it cruises nicely at 30-32 mph with 3/4 throttle, which is where I tend to keep it. That 2nd gear really does help the tiny engine achieve a little more speed than it would get otherwise. Once again, thanks, group! Absolutely *every one* of your suggestions was excellent, and I learned a lot about other things to watch out for. Most of all, I was hugely impressed by the warmth and kindly spirit of many of the letters. Two more questions for anyone that has the information: 1. Has anyone found any bargain rates for insurance? I've had no accidents or violations in 28 years, and I currently pay about $260/year to State Farm for 100,000/300,000 liability and $100-deductible comprehensive on the moped. Seems high, but all insurance in L.A. is high to begin with. 2. What is your estimate of a typical life span (in miles and/or years) of a Tomos moped, given normal care and maintenance? Arthur Goulet artgoulet@bigfoot.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:20:42 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Need advice w/ Tomos shift-speed prob. In a message dated 97-11-11 23:51:29 EST, you write: << Frankly, I can't see what the clutch face has to do with it; the clutch seems to work fine from a standing start. >> In Tomas A35 engine/transmission packages (the Targa and Targa LX use the A35 engine) there are two centrifugal (sp?) clutches. One clutch engages first gear from idle, the second clutch engages second gear. The problem could be only in the second gear centrifugal clutch. Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:22:42 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust In a message dated 97-11-12 00:20:32 EST, you write: << Question, Does it run better since the exhaust came loose? >> Yes, it seems to have just a little better hole shot. Not so much an increase in speed, but it gets to speed faster. Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:36:08 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Munsoned4U@aol.com Subject: looking for a vespa look a like I guess i am looking for a bike that looks like a vespa. A two seater that will just get me around town. I guess i could spend around 225 on one. I don't have much engine experience but i have friends. I don't care about plastic or metal. I don't even know the difference. Thanks for helping a novice. Mike Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:19:03 +0100 To: Subject: Re: soup-up engine kits for peds ---------- | Van: daugava@nothnbut.net | Aan: Moped Mailing List | Datum: donderdag 13 november 1997 2:43 | | ************************************************* | Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:43:38 -0500 (EST) | To: <199711130132.TAA04312@mail.valuenet.net> | From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu | Subject: Re: soup-up engine kits for peds | | | moderate porting job?? | | How. As you guys know, I already bought a 60 cc kit. I noticed the piston | got some holes near the crown. I think four. The cyclinder also has some | crazy ass ports on it too. The piston also only has one ring. | mm you got the finest crafts can make, yamma yamma | Does anybody know a good book on all this theoretical stuff? It sure would | help. | ets weegt en onderhoudsloos is, jammer dat dit onverenigbaar is met de PRAKTIJK. DEEL II De Beperkingen DEEL III Kleine verbeteringen The original port lay out, And after a little work on it D3 and D4 max 33% of the bore, the exhaust height 30 -45 % of stroke, all channels are preferably polished DEEL IV Het grotere werk Probeer de volgende boeken te pakken te krijgen : •1. J.M. Desantes, F.Boada, J.M. Corbearán, "Exhaust Pipe Design Method for the Optimization of the Scavenging Process" •2. Shigeru Onishi, Souk Hong Jo, Pan Do Jo, Satoshi Kato, "Multi-Layer Stratified Scavegning (MULS) -A New Scavenging Method for Two Stroke Engine" •3. John Robinson, "Motorcycle Tuning" •4. A.Graham Bell, "Performance Tuning in Theory & Practice" •5. Roy Bacon, "Two Stroke Exhaust Systems" in fact all roy bacon's books i can advice ! •6. Noriyuki Hata, Takeo Fujita, Noritaka Matsuo (Yamaha Motor Co., Ltd.) "Modification of Two-Stroke Engine Intake System for Improvments of Fuel Consumption and Performance through the Yamaha Energy Induction System (YEIS)" •7. D.S. Sandborn, W.M. Roeder, "Single Cycle Simulation Simplifies Scavenging Study" •8. A. Jante, "Scavenging Flow Ducts of 3-Cylinder Two-Stroke Cycle Engines" •9. E.Bratt, "Praktisk Flygteknik" •10. Gordon .P. Blair, "Design & Simulation of Two-Stroke Engines" | Is my carb supposed to stick out at a 45 degree angle don't know depends on the manifolt, when it is a serious problem with it you could consider making one your own.. | | FRONT OF BIKE | CARB | . F | . F | .F | . | | F | F | | Is it supposed to be on an incline of about 15 degrees-it seems to me the | float would be screwed up. It also prevents my fairing from going on. Is | this normal? | 15 degrees normaly is no problem , only act on it as problems occur , ex. when driving up / down hill. the plastic covers mostly don't fit any more but are bendable with some heat , or just remove a part what is in the collision area with the new parts. Bye, Peter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Email : staal@concepts.nl Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 http://home.westbrabant.net/~staal/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | | Michael Liu | | Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:52:05 +0100 To: Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust ---------- | Van: daugava@nothnbut.net | Aan: Moped Mailing List | Datum: donderdag 13 november 1997 17:36 | | ************************************************* | Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:22:42 -0500 (EST) | To: daugava@nothnbut.net | From: AaronM428@aol.com | Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust | | | In a message dated 97-11-12 00:20:32 EST, you write: | | << Question, Does it run better since the exhaust came loose? >> | | Yes, it seems to have just a little better hole shot. Not so much an | increase in speed, but it gets to speed faster. | | You just prooved that you exhaust is filty , or too small by design for good moped performance..... peter. Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:04:39 +0100 To: artgoulet@bigfoot.com From: hansn@xs4all.nl Subject: Re: Tomos shift-speed prob. - followup Hello Arthur, fellow mopedeers, At 22:50 12-11-97 -0800, you wrote: >I can't thank you enough for your detailed and knowledgable response! You did just that... >Please see my general reply I posted today on alt.scooter regarding the >fix I did myself on the upshift-speed problem. In that post I also >comment on other suggestions from other respondents. > >The problem was exactly as you surmised -- they had put MOTOR OIL into >the transmission! No suprise... >1. The speedometer seems to read correctly, but the ODOMETER reads >about 50% high on mileage -- that's a lot! Have you encountered that >before? Also, what's the best lubricant to use on the speedo cable? >It's making a bit of noise as it turns. I have the distinct feeling that Tomos (being low-budget and all) use the same clocks in US as in Europe. Problem is, you can adjust the speedometer with just minor changes (a scale with miles instead of kilometers) but for the odometer they'd need to change the gear inside. My bet is, they didn't.... How much is a Mile in Kilometers? Exactly.... >> >This problem was fixed once by the dealer, through a >> >"factory-authorized" series of radial cuts in the clutch face, which is >> >supposed to improve transmission oil flow through the clutch. > >> I think your dealer stinks.. In my career in repairing Tomos I haven't done >> such a repair. The clutch system works fine for us, and lasts at least 2 >> years of normal use.. > >2. I see I wasn't saying it quite correctly, then -- I thought it was >an oil-bath clutch. If the clutch itself is not an oil-bath type, just >what parts of the transmission are being bathed in oil -- just the >gears? You said it correctly allright. The clutches do run in oilbath.. >Anyway, do you know whether the cuts in the clutch pads that they did >were indeed a standard factory-authorized procedure? No, haven't heard that one before.. I think they lie, the factory would admit in this way that they goofed up. They will never do that (no factory in it's right mind does that) They'd sooner blame the oil... >I'm surprised that >the clutch gives only about 2 years of service before presumably needing >new pads. That seems like a short life. How much should I expect that I said at least... I've seen Tomoses with 2000 Kilometers on it with completely worn clutches, and some with 15 years of age with good clutches in them. (although rare) >repair to cost when it comes due? And in view of what you said, should Over here that's about 100 Dollars... >I expect my now-modified clutch to last even less time than that, and >should I ask for (or demand) a clutch replacement? Do you think that my >running the moped for a few hundred miles with motor oil in the >transmission is likely to have damaged it any, or is likely to cause >premature failure in the future? I'm more than a bit surprised to find No damage I can think of. I would however let them change the clutch at any rate.. >that the dealer filled the transmission case with motor oil (something >that he claims is also authorized by the factory rep -- hard to >believe). Damn liers... >> Of course, it was your dealers fault anyway, that screw obviously wasn't >> tightened down enough. It was the M10 nut on the crankshaft holding the >> clutch assembly, wasn't it? >> Or was it the nut holding the front chainwheel? > >Don't know which one it is, but he said he put Lock-Tite liquid onto it >this time. Hope it holds. Fortunately, it locked up only after a run >when I tried to restart it, and not during a run. yes, Loctite is very adequate indeed. We don't use that. It works fine, but it can be a hell of a job to get the clutch of again, it's like glueing the nut to the shaft.. >> Let him replace the clutch, and change the oil afterwards yourself. This >> will do the trick for sure. >Well, I did my part at least, in changing the oil myself, and I'm glad I >did! However, now that the moped is shifting properly with the new oil >in it, the dealer isn't likely to be willing to replace the clutch now. >If I were sneaky, I could put the motor oil back in there, not say >anything about the "fix" I had done, and then have him replace the >clutch as he suggested earlier. That's not sneaky, serves them right... >3. I couldn't find Type A Suffix A fluid in the auto parts stores I >went to, so I used synthetic DEXRON MERCON fluid. One of the >respondents to my original posting said that it was worth looking hard >for the Type A Suffix A stuff, because it worked better than MERCON >fluid. Also, he said that ordinary transmission fluid worked better >than synthetic fluid, giving more positive upshifts and even enabling a >slightly higher top speed (presumably because of lower internal >friction?). Can you confirm or comment on any of that information? I can't believe that. Synthetic oil is normally better then mineral oil. Especially better in keeping up the oil-film under strong friction. >4. If they used a 2nd gear spring in the 1st gear clutch, I would >expect very slow engagement of first gear from a standing start, right? Right. >Just how does the upshift take place in the transmission? When the 2nd >gear clutch pushes outward and grabs around 14 mph, how does the first >gear and its clutch let go? Because of a third (one way) roller clutch on the mainshaft.. >5. The only owner's manual I got was a very brief (6 pages?) >Sprint-model booklet (not the Targa, which I bought), but which the >dealer said was virtually identical to the Targa booklet. The booklet, >however, is very short and doesn't even say a word about how to start >the moped. Did I get everything that I was supposed to get in the way >of instruction manuals? yes..The Targa has oil injection which the Sprint hasn't. Engines are the same.. >6. Where can I buy a shop manual that covers the entire machine, >including the body? Haynes Publishing Group 861 Lawrence drive Newbury park California 91320 USA They make good, comprehensive manuals and did have a book on Tomos.. >7. What is the typical life expectancy of a Tomos moped (in miles >and/or years), assuming reasonable maintenance and care? An average of five years in my experience. After a major overhaul (clutch, mainshaft, rebore of cylinder and new crankshaft bearings) it might do another five years. >Sorry to bother you with all this, but your first reply was so helpful! >Once again, please reply directly by email when you can, if it's >convenient for you. Thanks! No more convenient then mailing to the list, it;s the same drill.. I CC'd it to the list too, some other Tomos owners might want to read this? Cheers, Hans Hartman Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:44:59 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: ANDOVER@aol.com Subject: TOMOS and New Puch odometers read in kilometers! Moped Greetings! TOMOS and New Puch odometers read in kilometers! The speedometer unit is intended for european usage and then a overlay modifys it so that on this side of the pond we can use the TOMOS and New Puch Moped with miles per hour indicated. But this does not solve the odometer problem. When buying or selling a TOMOS and New Puch Moped be aware that that what ever the odometer indicates it is overstated if you think it is in miles! The conversion is to multiply what is indicated by .625. So if you see 1000 on the odometer then it is really 625 Miles. ********** November Moped Parts Special ************ BiTurbo Moped High Performance Exhausts $ 94.95 FreeFlow Design Dramaticly Improves the Performance of TOMOS & Puch Mopeds Andover Cycles, Limited The Moped Performance Source 303-689-9000 303-689-9009 Fax E-Mail: ANDOVER@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:04:44 -0600 To: "Mailing List" Subject: re: Tomos odometer > Hans Hartman wrote: > I have the distinct feeling that Tomos (being low-budget and all) use the > same clocks in US as in Europe. Problem is, you can adjust the speedometer > with just minor changes (a scale with miles instead of kilometers) but for > the odometer they'd need to change the gear inside. My bet is, they > didn't.... That hits the spot! Manual says that speedo is in mph, but odometer is in kilometeres - but I couldn't understand why would they do a weird thing like that. Now your explanation cleared that up! Andrew Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:42:55 -0600 To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" Subject: RE: Tomos shift-speed prob. - followup > I have the distinct feeling that Tomos (being low-budget and all) use > the > same clocks in US as in Europe. Problem is, you can adjust the > speedometer > with just minor changes (a scale with miles instead of kilometers) but > for > the odometer they'd need to change the gear inside. My bet is, they > didn't.... How much is a Mile in Kilometers? Exactly.... > One kilometer = .621 mile and One mile = 1.609 km Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:01:40 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Surprising fix for Tomos upshift-speed problem! In a message dated 97-11-14 00:24:22 EST, you write: << One of you wrote that I should shop around until I found regular (not synthetic) Type A Suffix A fluid, as it seems to work best. This person also very kindly offered to mail me a quart if I couldn't find it (thanks!). First, I'll call around to see if I can locate some locally. >> About this, I found Type A Suffix A fluid in the most unlikely of places, Rite Aid. The fluid is labeled as "Sunoco Multi-Purpose ATF DEXRON-III MERCON Automatic Transmission Fluid", so I suppose you could also find it at a Sunoco gas station. Though it says DEXRON-III, MERCON on the front, the back label that it is 100% comaptible (sp?) with a number of different fluids, including Type A Suffix A fluid. It works fine, no shift problems at all (just that pesky ignition coil, but that's another letter.) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:08:27 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust In a message dated 97-11-14 04:32:02 EST, you write: << You just prooved that you exhaust is filty , or too small by design for good moped performance..... peter. >> OK then, How do I clean a Biturbo pipe? I know for certain that it has no baffle tube inside, and that it cannot be taken apart. Perhaps running high pressure air through it? Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:13:16 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Tomos shift-speed prob. - followup In a message dated 97-11-14 10:45:37 EST, you write: << >1. The speedometer seems to read correctly, but the ODOMETER reads >about 50% high on mileage -- that's a lot! Have you encountered that >before? Also, what's the best lubricant to use on the speedo cable? >It's making a bit of noise as it turns. I have the distinct feeling that Tomos (being low-budget and all) use the same clocks in US as in Europe. Problem is, you can adjust the speedometer with just minor changes (a scale with miles instead of kilometers) but for the odometer they'd need to change the gear inside. My bet is, they didn't.... How much is a Mile in Kilometers? Exactly.... >> All Tomos Mopeds sold in America register speed in Miles Per Hour, but measure distance in Kilometers. It says so in the manual that should have come with the bike. (Title: TOMOS Maintenance Manual & Instruction Book; Sprint, Targa, Targa LX.) It is a 17 page booklet that is about 4 inches tall by 8 inches wide that covers routine maintenance. Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:11:38 +0100 To: Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust ---------- | Van: daugava@nothnbut.net | Aan: Moped Mailing List | Datum: vrijdag 14 november 1997 19:13 | | ************************************************* | Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:08:27 -0500 (EST) | To: daugava@nothnbut.net | From: AaronM428@aol.com | Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust | | | In a message dated 97-11-14 04:32:02 EST, you write: | | << You just prooved that you exhaust is filty , or too small by design for | good | moped performance..... | peter. | >> | OK then, How do I clean a Biturbo pipe? I know for certain that it has no | baffle tube inside, and that it cannot be taken apart. Perhaps running high | pressure air through it? to blow out the smoke ? :) | | i'm not that familiar with a biturbo but does it have a carbonfiber back end or all steel, in the last case you can burn it out. (does the looks no good !) (take it apart from your moped !!! (you would not be the first one )) the easiest always works job is to put a iron wire (with or w/o pickels) (or a bundle) from front to end and keep shuffeling with it until nothing comes out any more (or put the bundel in the head of a drill and swing it around). if your very handy you can even customise you exhaust ;) make a tuned expansion pipe.... good sound included .....way over the 95Db limit here... what diameter does the exhaust connection to the manifold have (at the cylinder)? this can be the 'design' problem. or is the gasket blocking a part of the opening ? Bye, Peter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Email : staal@concepts.nl Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 http://home.westbrabant.net/~staal/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:36:54 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: JoeVR5@aol.com Subject: Re: 60 cc kit how much does the 60cc kit cost? Joe Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:21:43 -0800 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: catrinus.j.wallet@exgate.tek.com Subject: Testi Moped Info Sought Some time ago I posted a plea for help in identifying data on my Gitane Confort Lux moped from the early 70's (guessing). Most of the replies indicated that Gitane didn't make a moped and I thought I was at a dead end. Recently, I found this mention in Hugo Wilson's the "Encyclopedia of the Motorcycle", published in 1995: Gitane c. 1947-1980 Until the 1960's this bicycle manufacturer built mopeds and motorcycles using 100cc to 175cc VAP, Ydral, and Sachs engines. In the 1970's it sold a 40cc Italian Testi with a Gitane label, but this ended when Renault took over the company in 1980. (Emphasis added). So I'm getting close! Who knows somethings about Testi mopeds, and are parts still available? Again, the engine is a "Motori Minarelli" with a Dellorto carb. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me! You can reply to the group or you can write me directly at catrinus.wallet@juno.com Catrinus Wallet Portland, OR, USA Date: 15 Nov 1997 08:08:46 -0800 To: "daugava@nothnbut.net" Subject: speedometer for PUCH Maxi To @REPLY Bill Metteer-moped owner To WILMET WILLIAM R METTEER From @INET (HO) Type N 11-12-97 4:15p FROM: daugava@nothnbut.net ************************************************* Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:44:37 -0500 (EST) To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: speedometer for PUCH Maxi My 60 cc kit goes faster than 30 mph-not much more this point, it'll take some tuning. But it did burn out the speedometer on my bike (max of 30).That's actually not a problem. What I want to know is ARE THERE ARE ANY SPEEDOMETERS THAT WILL WORK WITH A PUCH MAXI THAT GO UP TO 50 mph??? I am currently using a bicycle digital speedometer so I can see my speed during the day, but I want a neat analog one with a needle that can keep track of my total miles plus is backlit? Any ideas??? Michael Liu Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:34:54 -0500 (EST) To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT This place is no joke. It's about 2 hours from the GW bridge. It's about 1 north of Bridgeport. I saw over 100 mopeds!!!!!! OVER ONE HUNDERED MOPEDS!!!!! The actual space of the store is not that big, but no joke-over 100 mopeds. Most of them were new TOMOS Targas and LXs for rock bottom prices. They also have the Kinetics for $699!!! I checked them out-the quality doesn't seem that bad. Also-he had some non-working mopeds from $100-200. I saw Jawas, PUCHS, Motebecanes, a JC Penny, some other crazy brands too. This guy is no joke. Oh-there were also 3 scooters, 3 minibikes, and parts up the ying-yang. This guy had chain guards for my maxi-luxe. He had MOPED SEATS, he had forks, he had carbs. If you wanna buy a new moped-this guys got the deals on Kinetics and TOMOS. Personally, I almost bought 2 non-working TOMOS for a rock bottom price, to fix it up. But I have 3 exams in the next 2 weeks-and it would only serve to distract me. Make no bones-I am going back during my vacation to get some beaters and fix them. If you are on the East Coast- this guy deserves a shot!!!!! Michael Liu Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:39:10 -0500 (EST) To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: THe Moped Center in Farmingville CT This guy has about 15 or so mopeds. He sells used ones too for under $500 with guraentees. I saw used (and working)bikes from TOMOS, Puegot, Motobecane, and LASER plus a few others I don't recall. He's got PUCH parts up his ying-yang as well as others. He has the damn asbestos cord that goes in the muffler!!! This guy has them!!!! He also had this neat fuel guage that works on any moped. He had a few other things too that I bought. This guy isn't too far from Waterbury and if you are in CT looking for mopeds, he isn't too far out of the way. Michael Liu Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:31:16 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: ACassin105@aol.com Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust MY FRIEND DOES THE SAME THING ON HIS TARGA FOR SOUND THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT AND COOL . HE HAS DONE THIS FOR 3 YEARS AND HAS NEVER HAD A PROBLEM OR SIDE AFECT FROM THIS. Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:55:11 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: ACassin105@aol.com Subject: Re: Need advice w/ Tomos shift-speed prob. THERE ARE TWO ATOMATIC CLUTCHES IN 2-SPEED TRANSMISSIONS FOR BOTH GEARS. Date: 15 Nov 1997 08:08:46 -0800 To: "daugava@nothnbut.net" Subject: speedometer for PUCH Maxi To @REPLY Bill Metteer-moped owner To WILMET WILLIAM R METTEER From @INET (HO) Type N 11-12-97 4:15p FROM: daugava@nothnbut.net ************************************************* Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:44:37 -0500 (EST) To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: speedometer for PUCH Maxi My 60 cc kit goes faster than 30 mph-not much more this point, it'll take some tuning. But it did burn out the speedometer on my bike (max of 30).That's actually not a problem. What I want to know is ARE THERE ARE ANY SPEEDOMETERS THAT WILL WORK WITH A PUCH MAXI THAT GO UP TO 50 mph??? I am currently using a bicycle digital speedometer so I can see my speed during the day, but I want a neat analog one with a needle that can keep track of my total miles plus is backlit? Any ideas??? Michael Liu Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:34:54 -0500 (EST) To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT This place is no joke. It's about 2 hours from the GW bridge. It's about 1 north of Bridgeport. I saw over 100 mopeds!!!!!! OVER ONE HUNDERED MOPEDS!!!!! The actual space of the store is not that big, but no joke-over 100 mopeds. Most of them were new TOMOS Targas and LXs for rock bottom prices. They also have the Kinetics for $699!!! I checked them out-the quality doesn't seem that bad. Also-he had some non-working mopeds from $100-200. I saw Jawas, PUCHS, Motebecanes, a JC Penny, some other crazy brands too. This guy is no joke. Oh-there were also 3 scooters, 3 minibikes, and parts up the ying-yang. This guy had chain guards for my maxi-luxe. He had MOPED SEATS, he had forks, he had carbs. If you wanna buy a new moped-this guys got the deals on Kinetics and TOMOS. Personally, I almost bought 2 non-working TOMOS for a rock bottom price, to fix it up. But I have 3 exams in the next 2 weeks-and it would only serve to distract me. Make no bones-I am going back during my vacation to get some beaters and fix them. If you are on the East Coast- this guy deserves a shot!!!!! Michael Liu Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:39:10 -0500 (EST) To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: THe Moped Center in Farmingville CT This guy has about 15 or so mopeds. He sells used ones too for under $500 with guraentees. I saw used (and working)bikes from TOMOS, Puegot, Motobecane, and LASER plus a few others I don't recall. He's got PUCH parts up his ying-yang as well as others. He has the damn asbestos cord that goes in the muffler!!! This guy has them!!!! He also had this neat fuel guage that works on any moped. He had a few other things too that I bought. This guy isn't too far from Waterbury and if you are in CT looking for mopeds, he isn't too far out of the way. Michael Liu Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:31:16 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: ACassin105@aol.com Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust MY FRIEND DOES THE SAME THING ON HIS TARGA FOR SOUND THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT AND COOL . HE HAS DONE THIS FOR 3 YEARS AND HAS NEVER HAD A PROBLEM OR SIDE AFECT FROM THIS. Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:55:11 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: ACassin105@aol.com Subject: Re: Need advice w/ Tomos shift-speed prob. THERE ARE TWO ATOMATIC CLUTCHES IN 2-SPEED TRANSMISSIONS FOR BOTH GEARS. Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:22:03 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: daniel59@fast.net Subject: Mopeds in Bethlehem,PA Great site. I have two mopeds, an older Batavus Starflite HS, made in 1980, which was not used until two years ago, and therefore is in like new condition, as well as a two year old Kinetic TFR. Both run great and are a blast to ride. Attached you will find photos of the older Batavus, which you may use on your gallery if you wish. Good luck- Dan Schwartzman daniel59@fast.net Bethlehem, PA ANDREW: The pictures are here: /d/moped/batavus1.jpg /d/moped/batavus2.jpg Beautiful bike, btw :) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:11:09 -0000 To: Subject: used mopeds and scooters wanted: used mopeds and scooters, for sale, in the southern ohio and northern kentucky area. must be in good resaleable condition. email or call with information, brennan@ramlink.net or 614-533-2266 thanks, tony Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:08:59 -0500 (EST) To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: registering a moped Any New Yorkers out there? I need some advice. The moped I currently have, I bought used from someone who had what is called a transferable registration, so transfering it to me upon sale was no problem for the DMV. However, I know it is rare to find a moped with papers. I am thinking of buying a used moped, what is the process (if one exists) for registering a moped with no papers (but with the VIN on a metal plate on the bike) in the state of New York? Michael Liu Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:46:34 -0500 (EST) To: <199711171739.LAA19407@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: speedometer for PUCH Maxi I saw the JC whitney ones-It's not a big deal to hook up any old speedometer if the cable fits-but the problem is the calibration. The chances are that a motorcycle speedometer was calibrated for a different drive and thus a wheel with a different radius. Sure-the speedometer will work but will it indicated the correct speed? Has anybody had experience with JC Whitney speedometers on a PUCH? Michael Liu On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: 15 Nov 1997 08:08:46 -0800 > To: "daugava@nothnbut.net" > Subject: speedometer for PUCH Maxi > > > To @REPLY > Bill Metteer-moped owner > > To WILMET WILLIAM R METTEER From @INET (HO) Type N 11-12-97 4:15p > FROM: daugava@nothnbut.net > ************************************************* > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:44:37 -0500 (EST) > To: Andrei Zaitsev > Subject: speedometer for PUCH Maxi > > My 60 cc kit goes faster than 30 mph-not much more this point, it'll take some tuning. But it did burn out the speedometer on my bike (max of 30).That's actually not a problem. > > What I want to know is ARE THERE ARE ANY SPEEDOMETERS THAT WILL WORK WITH A PUCH MAXI THAT GO UP TO 50 mph??? > > I am currently using a bicycle digital speedometer so I can see my speed during the day, but I want a neat analog one with a needle that can keep track of my total miles plus is backlit? Any ideas??? > > Michael Liu > > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:53:14 -0600 To: Subject: Fw: moped bolts -------- reply to wacomm Can you tell me what size/type bolts I need for an '81 Puch muffler? Thanks, Daniel Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:06:10 -0600 To: Subject: Re: speedometer for PUCH Maxi ------- reply to mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu ------ I saw the JC whitney ones-It's not a big deal to hook up any old speedometer if the cable fits-but the problem is the calibration. The chances are that a motorcycle speedometer was calibrated for a different drive and thus a wheel with a different radius. Sure-the speedometer will work but will it indicated the correct speed? Has anybody had experience with JC Whitney speedometers on a PUCH? Michael Liu Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:17:31 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust In a message dated 97-11-15 03:55:07 EST, you write: << 95Db limit here >> Wow! Here in the states, we are limited (supposedly, no one cares really) to 67Db at 5500 RPM. I'll get the pipe off and see what I can do, but for the next 4-5 months the 'ped will lie dormant because of that pesky thing called winter. (We already have snow!) :-( By the way, do you know where I could get a replacement for the Iskra HT coil for less than $40.00 US? Whenever I ride the 'ped at near full throttle for a longish time the spark cuts out. I was told that it was a weak HT coil that couldn't cope with the heat. Thanks a lot for your help Mr. Staal, you and Mr. Hartmann (If I messed up the spelling, I am sorry) are both wonderful resources. Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:36:56 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Dashaun84@aol.com Subject: Re: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT Thanx alot Im going to check this guy out do you have the address? Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:39:46 -0800 (PST) To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Re: speedometer for PUCH Maxi If you can get a speedo hooked up and working, you can always "calibrate" it yourself. Get a known distance - a marked mile is handy (or kilometer for the metricized reader). Time yourself over the mile, keeping a steady speed. Note the indicated MPH on your speedo. Do the math and convert your timed mile into miles per hour- example 2 minutes to go a mile is 30 mph. 4 minutes is 15 mph etc. Say you timed the mile and you are going 30 mph. Say the speedo that you have is reading 40 mph. Now you know that 40mph on the speedo = 30 mph on the road. Do this for at least 2 different speeds. Remove the glass from the speedo, paint over the mile per hour numbers and paint (or use stickers, etc) to mark the 30 mph speed, the 15 mph speed and zero speed. Then mark off equal intervals in handy increments - say every 5 MPH - 5 equally spaced divisions between 0 and 30, exclusive. If you are artistic or have access to an inkjet printer and drawing program, you can even make a whole new face. -Dave > I saw the JC whitney ones-It's not a big deal to hook up any old > speedometer if the cable fits-but the problem is the calibration. The > chances are that a motorcycle speedometer was calibrated for a different > drive and thus a wheel with a different radius. Sure-the speedometer will > work but will it indicated the correct speed? Has anybody had experience > with JC Whitney speedometers on a PUCH? > > > Michael Liu Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:25:06 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: boyracer1@juno.com Subject: Re: used mopeds and scooters On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:51:55 -0800 daugava@nothnbut.net writes: >************************************************* >Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:11:09 -0000 >To: >Subject: used mopeds and scooters > > >wanted: used mopeds and scooters, for sale, in the southern ohio and >northern kentucky area. must be in good resaleable condition. email >or >call with information, brennan@ramlink.net or 614-533-2266 > >thanks, tony > > Same here, except I'll be taking them to Louisville (I'm not trying to step on any toes) ....., Chas boyracer1@juno.com or 606-572-7617 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:37:55 -0500 (EST) To: <199711172010.OAA22841@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: Fw: moped bolts What's the model of the moped? Michael Liu On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:53:14 -0600 > To: > Subject: Fw: moped bolts > > > -------- reply to wacomm > Can you tell me what size/type bolts I need for an '81 Puch muffler? > > Thanks, Daniel > > > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:44:42 -0500 (EST) To: <199711172052.OAA23734@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT If you use andrew's site, he has links to moped dealers that you can choose by state. It's not readily apparent how to get to the screen though. Once you get there, you click on Connecticut, and then it gives you a list of dealers. If you click on the dealer, it gives you a map that you can either zoom in or out. The Moped Warehouse will send you a flyer that includes directions if you call him-and you must call him becasue he has no internet capabilities. He offered me 2 broken TOMOS mopeds for $225. They both could definitely be made into one-however, due to my studies, I had to turn him down. What good would another do me if I failed out of school becasue I was tinkering? He also had a Sears PUCH from the 60s on display-not for sale though. Remember, the size of the store is small-but there's ALOT of stuff in there. He had a used late model TOMOS for I believe $600. But he said why buy that when the Kinetics are new for $699. The Kinetics have good quality metal construction and nice switches and even turning signals. I can't speak for the carb/engine/exhaust system though because I didn't try them out. The Moped Center in Farmingville is only 5 minutes away from the Moped Warehouse-if you're going to see one, you should check out the other. Michael Liu On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:36:56 -0500 (EST) > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: Dashaun84@aol.com > Subject: Re: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT > > > Thanx alot Im going to check this guy out do you have the address? > > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:07:38 -0500 (EST) To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Re: registering a moped in NYS On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu wrote: > Any New Yorkers out there? I need some advice. Upstate NY, that close enough?? ; ) > The moped I currently have, I bought used from someone who had what is > called a transferable registration, so transfering it to me upon sale > was no problem for the DMV. Yeah, that was the old system whw WYc\YK^_sYCzXmKVSTKZ[\]{^c^Sx > > However, I know it is rare to find a moped with papers. I am thinking of > buying a used moped, what is the process (if one exists) for registering a > moped with no papers (but with the VIN on a metal plate on the bike) in > the state of New York? > > Michael Liu > > ~ Danny ~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ syracuse ska!! Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:45:19 +0100 To: Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust ---------- | Van: daugava@nothnbut.net | Aan: Moped Mailing List | Datum: maandag 17 november 1997 21:17 | | ************************************************* | Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:17:31 -0500 (EST) | To: daugava@nothnbut.net | From: AaronM428@aol.com | Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust | | | In a message dated 97-11-15 03:55:07 EST, you write: | | << 95Db limit here >> | | Wow! Here in the states, we are limited (supposedly, no one cares really) to | 67Db at 5500 RPM. I'll get the pipe off and see what I can do, but for the | next 4-5 months the 'ped will lie dormant because of that pesky thing called | winter. (We already have snow!) :-( By the way, do you know where I could | get a replacement for the Iskra HT coil for less than $40.00 US? Whenever I | ride the 'ped at near full throttle for a longish time the spark cuts out. I | was told that it was a weak HT coil that couldn't cope with the heat. Thanks | a lot for your help Mr. Staal, you and Mr. Hartmann (If I messed up the | spelling, I am sorry) are both wonderful resources. | Hi, Here winter is bearable only periods of snow, and between 5 and -5 degrees celsius with some nights from over -10 and it is over.. more wet than cold. but a cold overheating below top speed.... doesn't sound sane to me, more likely to me is the fact that the pluhg dies out by getting oily, because between half full and full it mostly doesn't use more gas but only more air to make power, and with 2/3 gas to 3/4 or 4/5 it get a little to much gas and to less air to burn perfect, so it burns with a big oil film, (and bigga smoke signals ), kills the plug (untl cleaning) in a oil bath. open some times the gas completely to let the machine breath some fresh air and burn the sticky oil parts''. and / or adjust the mix to a leaner mix (be care full, if it has some thing to do with heat, this is not adviceable, i can't judge that from here). i don't know thy you drive at that speed, but your moped is made for full trottle.... but with a leaner jet your trouble could be over too. Peter. Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:54:36 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: speedometer for PUCH Maxi In a message dated 97-11-17 12:42:00 EST, you write: << J.C.Whitney sells aftermarket speedometers for a pretty reasonable price. They read up to 150mph though. This may disturb people checking out your moped when it's parked. Bill Metteer-moped owner >> Will these speedometers fit into the standard instrument panel of a Tomos Targa LX? Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:40:30 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Antung@aol.com Subject: Re: registering a moped 11-18-97 I heared about that the MOPED under 49 c.c. is not necessary to have a registration. Check with your DMV. Sam Tsai Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:39:17 -0500 To: laurinj@videotron.ca From: laurinj@videotron.ca Subject: Re: Fw: moped bolts daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:53:14 -0600 > To: > Subject: Fw: moped bolts > > -------- reply to wacomm > Can you tell me what size/type bolts I need for an '81 Puch muffler? > > Thanks, Daniel > Which bolts? Jean-Sébastien Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:03:24 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: JoeVR5@aol.com Subject: 96 Targa LX 4 sale I picked this up off the AOL classifieds. Email: EASTCIDE97@aol.com 1996 Tomos Targa LX Moped Bought brand new in May of 97' (6 months old) MInt. condition--not a scratch Helmet, raincover, and extra mirror included $1000 (located in New Jersey) Email: EASTCIDE97@aol.com Date: 18 Nov 1997 12:33:57 -0800 To: "daugava@nothnbut.net" Subject: Re: speedometer for PUCH Maxi To @REPLY -Bill Metteer Seattle WA To WILMET WILLIAM R METTEER From @INET (HO) Type N 11-18-97 12:26p FROM: daugava@nothnbut.net Received: from mf.safeco.com by ho_sv008.safeco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1459.59) id VNKFDZQF; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:23:44 -0800 Received: by safe.safeco.com; id MAA17031; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:24:27 -0800 (PST) From: id xma016983; Tue, 18 Nov 97 12:24:14 -0800 Received: from mail.valuenet.net ([207.230.63.40]) by mail.valuenet.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA14888; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:03:27 -0600 Message-Id: <199711182003.OAA14888@mail.valuenet.net> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:39:17 -0500 Subject: Re: speedometer for PUCH Maxi To: "Moped Mailing List" Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:54:36 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: speedometer for PUCH Maxi In a message dated 97-11-17 12:42:00 EST, you write: << J.C.Whitney sells aftermarket speedometers for a pretty reasonable price. They read up to 150mph though. This may disturb people checking out your moped when it's parked. Bill Metteer-moped owner >> Will these speedometers fit into the standard instrument panel of a Tomos Targa LX? Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:36:01 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: GeeeTeee@aol.com Subject: mopeds in wny I am looking for any moped in the western New york area. Please e-mail back with anything Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:41:52 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: WOffenhart@aol.com Subject: Batavus Does anybody out there know what the magneto breaker point gap is for a 1977 Batavus 48cc moped with a Bosch magneto? I would also like to know what the proper fuel/oil mixture ratio is for this little monster. Thanks for your help - Mike Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:52:09 -0500 (EST) To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: Danny@dreamworld??? Danny, your reply about moped registration in NY got garbled-please repost. The situation is that if I buy a moped from a dealer in Connecticut or New Jersey, they will not have a title because they aren't required in those states. I however, live in New York. Within a 200 mile radius of me, the only used moped dealers are located in New Jersey and COnnecticut. Michael Liu Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:45:42 EST To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Registering a Moped in NJ I recently bought a used moped in NJ with no title or anything. How would I start to register this moped. It has the vin number on a metal plate on the moped. Is there any way of registering a moped with no title or anything in the state of New Jersey? If you can help me out, please email your reply to therav4@juno.com P.S. It is a 1976 Bianchi Moped Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:50:16 -0000 To: Subject: Re: registering a moped varies by state, call your local circuit court clerk's office, tony ---------- > From: daugava@nothnbut.net > To: Moped Mailing List > Date: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 4:39 PM > > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:40:30 -0500 (EST) > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: Antung@aol.com > Subject: Re: registering a moped > > > 11-18-97 > > I heared about that the MOPED under 49 c.c. is not necessary to have a > registration. > > Check with your DMV. > > Sam Tsai Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:48:50 -0000 To: Subject: Re: 96 Targa LX 4 sale thanks for the information. too much money for a used one, can buy new for less. tony ---------- > From: daugava@nothnbut.net > To: Moped Mailing List > Date: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 8:03 PM > > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:03:24 -0500 (EST) > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: JoeVR5@aol.com > Subject: 96 Targa LX 4 sale > > > I picked this up off the AOL classifieds. Email: EASTCIDE97@aol.com > > 1996 Tomos Targa LX Moped > Bought brand new in May of 97' (6 months old) > MInt. condition--not a scratch > Helmet, raincover, and extra mirror included > > $1000 > > (located in New Jersey) > > Email: EASTCIDE97@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:08:08 -0500 To: paltron@interlog.com From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: Batavus daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:41:52 -0500 (EST) > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: WOffenhart@aol.com > Subject: Batavus > > Does anybody out there know what the magneto breaker point gap is for a 1977 > Batavus 48cc moped with a Bosch magneto? I would also like to know what the > proper fuel/oil mixture ratio is for this little monster. Thanks for your > help - Mike ..4mm gap, 50:1 (2%) gas-oil ratio. Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:28:02 -0600 To: "Mailing List" Subject: Bike Cover Another ad from AOL classifieds "Bike Covers"Total Protection" Waterproof Cover,Great for boating, protect's from the Elements,Lightweight fits into self- contained pouch,fits on your handle bars SUPER ,Holiday Gifts and colors For the boater that travels with their bikes,small mopeds,scooters.Please check my web page,for more infomation... http://member.aol.com/mattieferg/index.htm " Word of caution though - I bought a scooter cover once and it wasn't big enough for my moped. I now use motorcycle cover - when folded accurately, it just fits into my Tomos saddle bag. Andrew Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:51:39 -0500 To: laurinj@videotron.ca From: laurinj@videotron.ca Subject: Re: Batavus daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:41:52 -0500 (EST) > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: WOffenhart@aol.com > Subject: Batavus > > Does anybody out there know what the magneto breaker point gap is for a 1977 > Batavus 48cc moped with a Bosch magneto? I would also like to know what the > proper fuel/oil mixture ratio is for this little monster. Thanks for your > help - Mike The correct gap for the breaker point af a 77 Batavus moped is 0.016 in. (0.4mm) if your moped is a VA, Hs50, MoBat or Bronco, the others..... I don't know. for the fuel use a 50 for 1 oil/gas ratio (2%) as carburant. hope this will be usefull. Jean-Sebastien Laurin ---------------------- parts and restorations 60's and 70's moped Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:10:02 -0500 (EST) To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Mopeds in NYS On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu wrote: > The situation is that if I buy a moped from a dealer in Connecticut or > New Jersey, they will not have a title because they aren't required in > those states. I however, live in New York. Within a 200 mile radius of > me, the only used moped dealers are located in New Jersey and > Connecticut. You don't need a title to register a vehicle in NYS either. Registration is just paying the fees and letting the state know you're responsible for the vehicle. Title is a statement of legal ownership. Some states combine them, but NYS does not. They've offered to register my untitled scooter, but getting a title for it will be a big hassle through the DMV, because there is no paperwork at all. However, that's what the title services are for and it's about $100 for older vehicles, closer to $200 for newer ones, though if you buy new from a dealer, they should have enough paperwork to keep Albany happy for a title too. Just remember that when NYS registers a vehicle, that doesn't prove you own it, as only a title does that. But you'll still be responsible for tickets and accidents, rest assured. ~ Danny ~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ syracuse ska!! Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:18:25 -0500 (EST) To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Re: registering a moped On 18 Nov 1997 brennan@ramlink.net wrote: > varies by state, call your local circuit court clerk's office, tony Wow, what state is THAT??? The best general answer I suppose is check in your state wherever you register motor vehicles. For most of us, that's the DMV or it's equivalent name. Even if they don't cover mopeds there, they'll tell you who does. ~ Danny ~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ syracuse ska!! Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:36:39 -0700 To: ccampbel@fvcc.cc.mt.us From: ccampbel@fvcc.cc.mt.us Subject: 1980 Peugeot parts I am looking for parts for a 1980 Peugeot 103 LVS moped. Specifically I need a new carburetor or carburetor kit and an air intake housing. Does anyone know of a parts supplier that deals in Peugeot? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Colleen Campbell Flathead Valley Community College Library 777 Grandview Dr. Kalispell, MT 59901 phone: 406-756-3855 fax : 406-756-3854 ccampbel@fvcc.cc.mt.us http://www.fvcc.cc.mt.us/depts/library +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:48:41 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: RED5596422@aol.com Subject: Re: registering a moped in NYS Does anyone have a Moped for sale in New york?? George Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:30:59 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: SPETSANTI@aol.com Subject: TOMOS I have a problem with my son's tomos it's a 1977 and I can't get any fire to the points when he cranks on it the lights fire up so I'm pretty sure the mag is up but nothing to the points can anybody tell me what the point gap is and give me any ideas about the points the condenser is attached to the mag and I don't know if that's the problem (the condenser) or not .It has ducati electrics in it HELP!!! thanks, spetsanti@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:00:54 +0100 To: "Moped Mailinglist" Subject: Fw: Targa exhaust ---------- | Van: Robert Taylor <6828t@bright.net> | Aan: staal@concepts.nl | Onderwerp: Targa exhaust | Datum: dinsdag 18 november 1997 21:12 | | Hi | You better be real careful I mean real real careful if you lean it out | to much you can and will burn your piston and or cylinder maybe both. So | remember when you mess with the carb don't lean it out to much. Fuel mix | is important try to buy gas that does not have alcohol in it . Alcohol in | fuel is not a friend to any two cycle engine, so always buy a good grade of | fuel, you save in the long run!!!! | | Thank You | | Bob T. 6828t@bright.net Lucky for me they put alcohol in bottles and not in the gas down here ;) Peter. | Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:56:36 +0100 To: Subject: Re: Batavus ---------- | Van: daugava@nothnbut.net | Aan: Moped Mailing List | Datum: woensdag 19 november 1997 1:45 | | ************************************************* | Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:41:52 -0500 (EST) | To: daugava@nothnbut.net | From: WOffenhart@aol.com | Subject: Batavus | | | Does anybody out there know what the magneto breaker point gap is for a 1977 | Batavus 48cc moped with a Bosch magneto? I would also like to know what the | proper fuel/oil mixture ratio is for this little monster. Thanks for your | help - Mike | I'm not sure but i think .35 mm gap and 1:50 mix , but as i said not completly sure... peter. Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:23:44 -0600 To: "Mailing List" Subject: 1965 honda pc50 --------- reply to spotty <8677js@powerup.com.au> ------- I cannot find any information on my 1965 Honda pc50 moped.Please e-mail me if you find anyone with any info. Thanks Jason Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:43:12 -0800 To: artgoulet@bigfoot.com From: agoulet@flash.net Subject: Tips from US Tomos Distributor I had occasion to talk with the Tomos US distributor about concerns I had earlier mentioned to the group here, and here is the advice I got, straight from the people who ought to know. 2-stroke Engine Oil: - Synthetics provide better lubrication, help the engine to live longer. - To keep carbonization to a minimum, use a low-residue oil. Recommended brands (I'm unsure of the spelling): Belray (GTI? STI?), Techna-Plate, Petron. Also Optimol, Opti-2, Quatz. Tranmission Oil: - If you can't find Type A Suffix A (I can't here in Los Angeles), you can use Type F (not FA). (I've just put Type F into my 1995 Targa, and it works pretty well). Previously, it was OK to use plain 30-weight non-detergent motor oil in older Tomos transmissions, but not on the newer models. For Firmer Upshifts: - Cut grooves into the 2nd-gear clutch facings, in the same direction as the drive gear teeth (cutting the other way will produce the opposite effect). - Drill the clutch case holes slightly larger for oil to flow more easily. Be sure not to leave behind any filings! - Using a small screwdriver, slightly stretch the 2nd-gear clutch spring to fatigue it slightly, so it will allow the clutch to swing out sooner. If you overdo it, you will have to install a new spring. To Blow Out Muffler In-between Full Decarbonizations: - Periodically go to a remote area (because this will be noisy); temporarily remove the screw-out exhaust baffle from the muffler, and run the moped to blow out the carbon from the muffler. (My own idea next:) After the engine is fully warmed up, do several full-throttle accelerations to top speed, and do a few long uphill runs at full throttle, both of which will maximize pressure and increase temperature in the cylinder and exhaust, thereby encouraging the carbon to dislodge. Afterwards, you may wish to try putting the moped on its stand and revving up the engine pretty fast for a few seconds (run up the RPMs, but don't overdo it, you can overstress the engine). Then replace the baffle in the muffler. After-Warranty Modifications (DOING THESE WILL INVALIDATE THE WARRANTY, SO WAIT UNTIL IT'S EXPIRED): - Remove the exhaust baffle from the muffler and cut off the front half (the end towards the front of the moped). Supposedly, this will reduce future carbon buildup in the muffler (and may increase power?), without adverse effects. (Note: I would imagine that the muffler may become noisier, but I don't know -- I haven't tried it). - To improve acceleration and add up to 10 mph to top speed, replace the muffler with the "Bi-Turbo Expansion Chamber" (about $90-$100 retail). Your Tomos dealer can order this from A & R Trading Co., Spartanburg, SC, phone 864-582-1858. This is a wholesale company that will sell to dealers only, not to the general public. After this modification, mix an additional one-half ounce of 2-stroke oil into each tankful of gasoline (in addition to the oil already delivered by the automatic oil mixer), as a precaution because of the higher RPMs the engine will run at. I offer no guarantees regarding the above information; I'm just reiterating what the Tomos distributor told me, to the best of my recollection. If anyone has any better or extra information, post it. Good luck. Arthur Goulet Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:09:43 -0500 To: laurinj@videotron.ca From: laurinj@videotron.ca Subject: Re: 1980 Peugeot parts daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:36:39 -0700 > To: ccampbel@fvcc.cc.mt.us > From: ccampbel@fvcc.cc.mt.us > Subject: 1980 Peugeot parts > > I am looking for parts for a 1980 Peugeot 103 LVS moped. Specifically I > need a new carburetor or carburetor kit and an air intake housing. Does > anyone know of a parts supplier that deals in Peugeot? > Colleen Campbell hi, I am dealing Peugeot parts, send me a email at laurinj@videotron.ca with the list of the parts you need and ill tell you if I have them best wishes Jean-Sebastien Laurin ------------------------------------------- parts and restorations of 60'70'80's mopeds Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:06:37 -0500 (EST) To: DAUGAVA@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Old mopeds to part out I recently got a pickup truckload of old "parts bikes". Some of the brands were; Honda PA50, Batavus (old), Motron, Puch, Motobecane (stripped bare), and JC Penny Swinger ( Puch). Most are not in very good shape, but motors can be made to run. Let me know if can help you with parts, too much work to restore them. Scott H Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:29:24 -0500 (EST) To: <199711190058.SAA20472@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: mopeds in wny which part of western New York? Rochester? Ithaca? White Plains. Long Island is East, everything else is west. Michael Liu On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:36:01 -0500 (EST) > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: GeeeTeee@aol.com > Subject: mopeds in wny > > > I am looking for any moped in the western New york area. Please e-mail back > with anything > > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 08:58:44 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: bibeault@lando.ENET.dec.com Subject: Re: registering a moped in NYS Yes. Someone in New York has a moed for sale. ;^) ....tough crowd, eh! From: US8RMC::"daugava@nothnbut.net" 19-NOV-1997 22:21:29.81 To: "Moped Mailing List" Subj: Re: registering a moped in NYS ************************************************* Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:48:41 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: RED5596422@aol.com Subject: Re: registering a moped in NYS Does anyone have a Moped for sale in New york?? George % ====== Internet headers and postmarks ====== % Received: from mail13.digital.com by us8rmc.bb.dec.com (5.65/rmc-17Jan97) id AA02177; Wed, 19 Nov 97 22:14:49 -0500 % From: daugava@nothnbut.net % Received: from mail.valuenet.net ([207.230.63.43]) by mail.valuenet.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA14301; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:49:39 -0600 % Message-Id: <199711200249.UAA14301@mail.valuenet.net> % Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:56:36 +0100 % Subject: Re: registering a moped in NYS % To: "Moped Mailing List" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:18:02 -0500 To: paltron@interlog.com From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: TOMOS daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:30:59 -0500 (EST) > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: SPETSANTI@aol.com > Subject: TOMOS > > I have a problem with my son's tomos it's a 1977 and I can't get any fire to > the points when he cranks on it the lights fire up so I'm pretty sure the mag > is up but nothing to the points can anybody tell me what the point gap is and > give me any ideas about the points the condenser is attached to the mag and I > don't know if that's the problem (the condenser) or not .It has ducati > electrics in it HELP!!! > > thanks, > spetsanti@aol.com This may sound silly, but have you checked the brakelight bulb? Tomos has this weird idea of grounding the sparking circuit if the bulb (or the filament) blows, so yo do not get any juice at all. If you open up the taillight, you will see a resistor built into the circuit. Best to just bypass that entirely. Paul Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:34:18 -0500 (EST) To: <199711200249.UAA14294@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: registering a moped in NYS The New York regulations regarding mopeds are pretty strict when compared to other states. Thus, in order for me to find a dealer selling used mopeds, I need to go to New Jersey or Connecticut. WHich part of New York are you in? Michael Liu On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:48:41 -0500 (EST) > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: RED5596422@aol.com > Subject: Re: registering a moped in NYS > > > Does anyone have a Moped for sale in New york?? > > > > George > > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:39:34 -0500 (EST) To: <199711200249.UAA14307@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: TOMOS I had a similar problem with my PUCH. When I engaged the clutch and pedaled, the lights would go on. I mistook this to mean that the points were gapped properly. After doing a lot a of uneccessary stuff- I decided to regap the points-and low and behold-it worked. Just because the magneto produces a current does not mean it produces enough to cause a spark. Lighting lights is a lot easier to do than to build up enough current to spark. The points on my PUCH are 0.16 in. Call a TOMOS dealer to find the correct setting for yours. Michael Liu On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:30:59 -0500 (EST) > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: SPETSANTI@aol.com > Subject: TOMOS > > > I have a problem with my son's tomos it's a 1977 and I can't get any fire to > the points when he cranks on it the lights fire up so I'm pretty sure the mag > is up but nothing to the points can anybody tell me what the point gap is and > give me any ideas about the points the condenser is attached to the mag and I > don't know if that's the problem (the condenser) or not .It has ducati > electrics in it HELP!!! > > thanks, > spetsanti@aol.com > > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:24:14 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: speedometer for PUCH Maxi In a message dated 97-11-19 00:54:43 EST, you write: << I bought one once for an old honda dirt bike I once owned. The speedo comes with mounting hardware for mounting it to the handlebars. The main is about 2 1/2 inches in diameter, and may fit your targa. I may still have the speedometer somewhere in my garage. I could measure it if you want. >> If it is not too much trouble. Knowing the measurement would help me quite a bit. Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:27:18 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: TOMOS In a message dated 97-11-20 03:46:33 EST, you write: << I have a problem with my son's tomos it's a 1977 and I can't get any fire to the points when he cranks on it the lights fire up so I'm pretty sure the mag is up but nothing to the points can anybody tell me what the point gap is and give me any ideas about the points the condenser is attached to the mag and I don't know if that's the problem (the condenser) or not .It has ducati electrics in it HELP!!! >> It could still be the magneto. The magneto has two coils in it, one for the lights and a separate one for the ignition (at least the new ones do). Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:34:22 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust In a message dated 97-11-20 11:29:13 EST, you write: << but a cold overheating below top speed.... doesn't sound sane to me, more likely to me is the fact that the pluhg dies out by getting oily, because between half full and full it mostly doesn't use more gas but only more air to make power, and with 2/3 gas to 3/4 or 4/5 it get a little to much gas and to less air to burn perfect, so it burns with a big oil film, (and bigga smoke signals ), kills the plug (untl cleaning) in a oil bath. open some times the gas completely to let the machine breath some fresh air and burn the sticky oil parts''. and / or adjust the mix to a leaner mix (be care full, if it has some thing to do with heat, this is not adviceable, i can't judge that from here). i don't know thy you drive at that speed, but >> I'm sorry if I wasn't clear before. The problem occurs after extended periond of full throttle. Usually the time spent at full throttle is between 10-15 minutes without stopping. Also, I've had the plug out immediately after the incidents occured (I always carry a spare plug, easy fix to many problems) and it had no buildup on it, and even a brand new plug failed to revive it. If I let it set to cool for about 20 minutes It fires up again and runs fine. As I said, this only happens when the engine is hot (so hot that the spark plug wrench is too hot to hold without a cloth from about 20 seconds after touching the plug until a very long time after.) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:25:24 -0800 To: agner@erols.com From: agner@erols.com Subject: Re: Registering a Moped in NJ daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:45:42 EST > To: Moped Mailing List > Subject: Registering a Moped in NJ > > I recently bought a used moped in NJ with no title or anything. How > would I start to register this moped. It has the vin number on a metal > plate on the moped. Is there any way of registering a moped with no > title or anything in the state of New Jersey? > If you can help me out, please email your reply to > therav4@juno.com > > P.S. It is a 1976 Bianchi Moped Being from NJ, I've asked DMV the question relating to a motorcycle. The answer was, "no title, no registration." Solutions: 1) go to the seller and ask if he/she ever had title; if so, have them ask for a replacement from DMV and then sign it over. 2) Try to find the previous owner and do the same; 3) find someone in another state that doesn't require a title, and get them to register it and try to apply for a title, using just a bill of sale; then sign title over to you; 4) check Motorcycle Shopper Mag or Classic Bike; sometimes, title services (I think out of Nevada ) advertise. 5) ask Motor Vehicle if there is any way to go to court and have your rights to the bike declared, so you can get a title ; 6) contact the manufacturer and find out who was the original owner and seller of that ped; then try to trace from them to you, and see if someone in the chain has title still in their name, because they sold it without assigning title; ask them for permission for you to get them another title, for them to sign over. I KNOW IT SOUNDS COMPLICATED, BUT NJ DMV OFFERED NO SIMPLE SOLUTION. as a last resort, contact your state assemblyman/woman or state senator for help from DMV (or legislation to deal with this common problem) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:34:22 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust In a message dated 97-11-20 11:29:13 EST, you write: << but a cold overheating below top speed.... doesn't sound sane to me, more likely to me is the fact that the pluhg dies out by getting oily, because between half full and full it mostly doesn't use more gas but only more air to make power, and with 2/3 gas to 3/4 or 4/5 it get a little to much gas and to less air to burn perfect, so it burns with a big oil film, (and bigga smoke signals ), kills the plug (untl cleaning) in a oil bath. open some times the gas completely to let the machine breath some fresh air and burn the sticky oil parts''. and / or adjust the mix to a leaner mix (be care full, if it has some thing to do with heat, this is not adviceable, i can't judge that from here). i don't know thy you drive at that speed, but >> I'm sorry if I wasn't clear before. The problem occurs after extended periond of full throttle. Usually the time spent at full throttle is between 10-15 minutes without stopping. Also, I've had the plug out immediately after the incidents occured (I always carry a spare plug, easy fix to many problems) and it had no buildup on it, and even a brand new plug failed to revive it. If I let it set to cool for about 20 minutes It fires up again and runs fine. As I said, this only happens when the engine is hot (so hot that the spark plug wrench is too hot to hold without a cloth from about 20 seconds after touching the plug until a very long time after.) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:25:24 -0800 To: agner@erols.com From: agner@erols.com Subject: Re: Registering a Moped in NJ daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:45:42 EST > To: Moped Mailing List > Subject: Registering a Moped in NJ > > I recently bought a used moped in NJ with no title or anything. How > would I start to register this moped. It has the vin number on a metal > plate on the moped. Is there any way of registering a moped with no > title or anything in the state of New Jersey? > If you can help me out, please email your reply to > therav4@juno.com > > P.S. It is a 1976 Bianchi Moped Being from NJ, I've asked DMV the question relating to a motorcycle. The answer was, "no title, no registration." Solutions: 1) go to the seller and ask if he/she ever had title; if so, have them ask for a replacement from DMV and then sign it over. 2) Try to find the previous owner and do the same; 3) find someone in another state that doesn't require a title, and get them to register it and try to apply for a title, using just a bill of sale; then sign title over to you; 4) check Motorcycle Shopper Mag or Classic Bike; sometimes, title services (I think out of Nevada ) advertise. 5) ask Motor Vehicle if there is any way to go to court and have your rights to the bike declared, so you can get a title ; 6) contact the manufacturer and find out who was the original owner and seller of that ped; then try to trace from them to you, and see if someone in the chain has title still in their name, because they sold it without assigning title; ask them for permission for you to get them another title, for them to sign over. I KNOW IT SOUNDS COMPLICATED, BUT NJ DMV OFFERED NO SIMPLE SOLUTION. as a last resort, contact your state assemblyman/woman or state senator for help from DMV (or legislation to deal with this common problem) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:28:11 -0600 To: airdo@ix.netcom.com From: airdo@ix.netcom.com Subject: wiring kill button HI MOPEDLERS,NEED TO KNOW HOW TO WIRE THE KILL BUTTON (ON -OFF SWITCH). IN MAG.THANKS. Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:39:37 +0100 To: Subject: Re: wiring kill button ---------- | Van: daugava@nothnbut.net | Aan: Moped Mailing List | Datum: donderdag 20 november 1997 22:28 | | ************************************************* | Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:28:11 -0600 | To: airdo@ix.netcom.com | From: airdo@ix.netcom.com | Subject: wiring kill button | | | HI MOPEDLERS,NEED TO KNOW HOW TO WIRE THE KILL BUTTON (ON -OFF SWITCH). | IN MAG.THANKS. | over the breaker points.... breakerpoint ign---------V------------------ground |-------------cutoffswitch---- ground get it ? Peter. Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:45:13 +0100 To: Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust ---------- | Van: daugava@nothnbut.net | Aan: Moped Mailing List | Datum: donderdag 20 november 1997 4:25 | | ************************************************* | Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:34:22 -0500 (EST) | To: daugava@nothnbut.net | From: AaronM428@aol.com | Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust | | | In a message dated 97-11-20 11:29:13 EST, you write: | | << but a cold overheating below top speed.... doesn't sound sane to me, more | likely to me is the fact that the pluhg dies out by getting oily, because | between half full and full it mostly doesn't use more gas but only more air | to make power, and with 2/3 gas to 3/4 or 4/5 it get a little to much gas | and to less air to burn perfect, so it burns with a big oil film, (and | bigga smoke signals ), kills the plug (untl cleaning) in a oil bath. | open some times the gas completely to let the machine breath some fresh air | and burn the sticky oil parts''. and / or adjust the mix to a leaner mix | (be care full, if it has some thing to do with heat, this is not | adviceable, i can't judge that from here). | i don't know thy you drive at that speed, but >> | | I'm sorry if I wasn't clear before. The problem occurs after extended | periond of full throttle. Usually the time spent at full throttle is between | 10-15 minutes without stopping. Also, I've had the plug out immediately | after the incidents occured (I always carry a spare plug, easy fix to many | problems) and it had no buildup on it, and even a brand new plug failed to | revive it. If I let it set to cool for about 20 minutes It fires up again | and runs fine. As I said, this only happens when the engine is hot (so hot | that the spark plug wrench is too hot to hold without a cloth from about 20 | seconds after touching the plug until a very long time after.) | mmmm, and exhaust is clean.. than serious trouble ahead i think, could be worn out cranck bearings, or big end bearing, or seized up piston, how else does it become that warm so fast ? or is it tuned any how? Peter. Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:10:19 -0800 To: agner@erols.com From: agner@erols.com Subject: Re: Mopeds in NYS daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:10:02 -0500 (EST) > To: Moped Mailing List > Subject: Mopeds in NYS > > On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu wrote: > > The situation is that if I buy a moped from a dealer in Connecticut or > > New Jersey, they will not have a title because they aren't required in > > those states. I however, live in New York. Within a 200 mile radius of > > me, the only used moped dealers are located in New Jersey and > > Connecticut. > > You don't need a title to register a vehicle in NYS either. Registration > is just paying the fees and letting the state know you're responsible for > the vehicle. Title is a statement of legal ownership. Some states > combine them, but NYS does not. They've offered to register my untitled > scooter, but getting a title for it will be a big hassle through the DMV, > because there is no paperwork at all. However, that's what the title > services are for and it's about $100 for older vehicles, closer to $200 > for newer ones, though if you buy new from a dealer, they should have > enough paperwork to keep Albany happy for a title too. > > Just remember that when NYS registers a vehicle, that doesn't prove you > own it, as only a title does that. But you'll still be responsible for > tickets and accidents, rest assured. > > ~ Danny ~ > > ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ > syracuse ska!! I'm confused. I had to show title to register my moped in NJ, and I've gotten title transferred into my name. JOHN Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:44:40 +0100 To: "Moped Mailinglist" From: staal@concepts.nl Subject: Tomos 4L page update ->new : Moped webring Hello, fellow moped page owners, and moped fans: At the Tomos 4L pages there is now a new service available, the Moped webring. The intension is that all (?) moped related sites, can be read after another in an endless ring over the net. Pageowners can add their page-URL etc. to this list by filling in the submit form and adding some html text to your page, (which will be emailed to you) , you can read all info at : http://home.concepts.nl/~staal/ring/index.html This could become the ultimate moped web source with your help, only joining can make it work. Boost your number of page visitors now with this free service. Bye, Peter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Email : staal@concepts.nl Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 http://home.westbrabant.net/~staal/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 03:38:23 -0500 (EST) To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Re: Mopeds in NYS NY and NJ are different states. Different rules I guess. ~ Danny ~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ syracuse ska!! Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:03:27 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust In a message dated 97-11-21 10:54:25 EST, you write: << mmmm, and exhaust is clean.. than serious trouble ahead i think, could be worn out cranck bearings, or big end bearing, or seized up piston, how else does it become that warm so fast ? or is it tuned any how? >> I doubt that it is that bad. The engine cranks over quite easily (I can turn it over by hand.) The only "tuning" is a Biturbo muffler, and I just read that I should add about 1oz. oil to the fuel (in addition to the oil injected by the pump) because of the higher RPM's caused by the Biturbo. When spring comes and I start riding again I'll do that. Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:07:22 -0600 To: airdo@ix.netcom.com From: airdo@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: wiring kill button daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:39:37 +0100 > To: > Subject: Re: wiring kill button > > ---------- > | Van: daugava@nothnbut.net > | Aan: Moped Mailing List > | Datum: donderdag 20 november 1997 22:28 > | > | ************************************************* > | Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:28:11 -0600 > | To: airdo@ix.netcom.com > | From: airdo@ix.netcom.com > | Subject: wiring kill button > | > | > | HI MOPEDLERS,NEED TO KNOW HOW TO WIRE THE KILL BUTTON (ON -OFF > SWITCH). > | IN MAG.THANKS. > | > > over the breaker points.... > > breakerpoint > ign---------V------------------ground > |-------------cutoffswitch---- ground > > get it ? > Peter. DOES THAT MEAN I CAN SOLDER ONE WIRE FROM SWITCH TO CONDENSER AND THE OTHER WIRE TO A GROUND? WILL THAT WORK? THE CONDENSER IS ALREADY WIRED TO THE POINTS.BUT, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS ANOTHER WIRE TO CONDENSER THAT WAS TAKEN OFF. I WONDERED IF THAT WIRE WAS ORIGINALY FOR KILL BUTTON. THANKS AGAIN, CARLO. Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:43:27 -0600 To: "Mailing List" Subject: Honda Express owners manual ------- reply to carrie anderson Hi, I am woundering if you might be able to help me find a owners manual for my 1978 Honda Express. I moved into my new house and it was just sitting in my shead. So my landlord asid I could keep it. Thanks for your help. Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:24:44 -0500 To: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:36:56 -0500 (EST) > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: Dashaun84@aol.com > Subject: Re: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT > > Thanx alot Im going to check this guy out do you have the address? Lost the 800# for the Tomos Factory who services Fl....They were going to contact us regarding defective parts re: Tomas Targa Does anyone know the # ...I know it's in the manuel but unfortunately it's lost... Thanks, Tim & Alene Date: 22 Nov 1997 10:16:28 -0800 To: "DAUGAVA@NOTHNBUT.NET" Subject: RE: 1962motobecane To COPYTO Addressee List From WILMET (HO) Type N 11-22-97 10:16a Need your collective wisdom on how much I could reasonably expect to sell the subject bike for. It has 300 miles on it and has had two owners. Both have kept it under shelter at all times. Neither has -- quite obviously -- ridden it much. And it's a lovely robin egg's blue. How much should I ask? Please respond to me at kathleen1@mindspring.com ------------------------- Hello fellow moped people, I recieved this from a separate list. I already have one of these. Anybody else interested? -Bill Metteer Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:18:36 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: GeeeTeee@aol.com Subject: Re: mopeds in wny East aurora subburb of buffalo Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:39:22 +0100 To: Subject: Re: wiring kill button ---------- | Van: daugava@nothnbut.net | Aan: Moped Mailing List | Datum: zaterdag 22 november 1997 3:05 | | ************************************************* | Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:07:22 -0600 | To: airdo@ix.netcom.com | From: airdo@ix.netcom.com | Subject: Re: wiring kill button | | | daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: | | > ************************************************* | > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:39:37 +0100 | > To: | > Subject: Re: wiring kill button | > | > ---------- | > | Van: daugava@nothnbut.net | > | Aan: Moped Mailing List | > | Datum: donderdag 20 november 1997 22:28 | > | | > | ************************************************* | > | Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:28:11 -0600 | > | To: airdo@ix.netcom.com | > | From: airdo@ix.netcom.com | > | Subject: wiring kill button | > | | > | | > | HI MOPEDLERS,NEED TO KNOW HOW TO WIRE THE KILL BUTTON (ON -OFF | > SWITCH). | > | IN MAG.THANKS. | > | | > | > over the breaker points.... | > | > breakerpoint | > ign---------V------------------ground | > |-------------cutoffswitch---- ground | > | > get it ? | > Peter. | DOES THAT MEAN I CAN SOLDER ONE WIRE FROM SWITCH TO CONDENSER | AND THE OTHER WIRE TO A GROUND? WILL THAT WORK? THE CONDENSER IS | ALREADY WIRED TO THE POINTS.BUT, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS ANOTHER WIRE | TO CONDENSER THAT WAS TAKEN OFF. I WONDERED IF THAT WIRE WAS ORIGINALY | FOR KILL BUTTON. THANKS AGAIN, CARLO. | | yes because condensor is 'over' the points, one side already to ground. i think that was the original wire., mostly the stop button is in the light switch casing on the handle bar and makes there contact with frame, so no 'ground' wire need in that case. good luck, peter. | Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:32:10 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: browncrew@juno.com Subject: Re: Searching for a moped... I know where you can get a new Testi moped for $500 dollars. I can sell you one, but I am in NJ. If you want to work something out to have it picked-up or shipped, let me know. Keith Brown k_brown@msn.com On Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:18:33 -0500 (EST) daugava@nothnbut.net writes: >************************************************* >Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:18:33 -0500 (EST) >To: daugava@nothnbut.net >From: JoeVR5@aol.com >Subject: Searching for a moped... > > >Hi everybody!! > >My name is Joe and I am looking for a moped to buy that is under 5-600 >dollars. I live in Northern Virginia. I would appreciate it greatly >if >anyone has any suggestions, or hints about buying a moped. Thanks!! > >-Joe > > > Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:32:10 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: browncrew@juno.com Subject: Re: Testi Moped Info Sought I can get you a new Testi for $550. They are still in the box so you will have to assemble it yourself.... Keith Brown k_brown@msn.com On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:21:43 -0800 daugava@nothnbut.net writes: >************************************************* >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:21:43 -0800 >To: daugava@nothnbut.net >From: catrinus.j.wallet@exgate.tek.com >Subject: Testi Moped Info Sought > > >Some time ago I posted a plea for help in identifying >data on my Gitane Confort Lux moped from the early >70's (guessing). Most of the replies indicated that Gitane >didn't make a moped and I thought I was at a dead end. >Recently, I found this mention in Hugo Wilson's >the "Encyclopedia of the Motorcycle", published in 1995: > >Gitane c. 1947-1980 Until the 1960's this bicycle >manufacturer built mopeds and motorcycles using >100cc to 175cc VAP, Ydral, and Sachs engines. In >the 1970's it sold a 40cc Italian Testi with a Gitane >label, but this ended when Renault took over the company >in 1980. (Emphasis added). > >So I'm getting close! Who knows somethings about Testi >mopeds, and are parts still available? Again, the engine >is a "Motori Minarelli" with a Dellorto carb. > >Thanks in advance for any help you can give me! > >You can reply to the group or you can write me directly >at catrinus.wallet@juno.com > >Catrinus Wallet >Portland, OR, USA > > > Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 02:36:37 -0500 (EST) To: <199711221953.NAA12584@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: RE: 1962motobecane This depends on your geographic location. The less snow and more warmer the weather, the better your chances of selling it for a good price. Motobecanes are not the easiest bikes to get parts for. If I recall, I saw a dealer selling one for about $350, with about 1000 miles. Mopeds sold privately can go anywhere from $100-$400. Remember, you won't be able to sell it for any price if no one wants it. Hope this helps. Michael Liu On Sat, 22 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: 22 Nov 1997 10:16:28 -0800 > To: "DAUGAVA@NOTHNBUT.NET" > Subject: RE: 1962motobecane > > > To COPYTO Addressee List From WILMET (HO) Type N 11-22-97 10:16a > Need your collective wisdom on how much I could reasonably expect to sell the subject bike for. It has 300 miles on it and has had two owners. Both have kept it under shelter at all times. Neither has -- quite obviously -- ridden it much. > > And it's a lovely robin egg's blue. > > How much should I ask? > > Please respond to me at kathleen1@mindspring.com > > ------------------------- > Hello fellow moped people, > I recieved this from a separate list. I already have one of these. Anybody else interested? > -Bill Metteer > > Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:37:19 -0500 To: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:24:44 -0500 > To: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net > From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net > Subject: Re: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > > > ************************************************* > > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:36:56 -0500 (EST) > > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > > From: Dashaun84@aol.com > > Subject: Re: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT > > > > Thanx alot Im going to check this guy out do you have the address? > Lost the 800# for the Tomos Factory who services Fl....They were going > to contact us regarding defective parts re: Tomas Targa Does anyone > know the # ...I know it's in the manuel but unfortunately it's lost... > Thanks, Tim & Alene Folks: I've answered my own question...Found the 800 # for Tomos...If anybody needs it: 1-800-845-7007 We were told several months ago that there are defects in the plastic side covers for the Targa LX and the factory will replace them.... Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:55:06 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Vespa Grande wiring diagram` Trying to sort out loose wires on a '79 Vespa Grande. Can anyone help me find a wiring diagram? Thanks Scott H. Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 16:43:00 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Re: Honda Express owners manual Which model of Express do you have? If it is a NC-50 or a NA-50 I have a new Honda manual for it. Thanks Scott H Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:01:13 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Wrnch@aol.com Subject: Re: 1980 motobecane Help!!!!! All attempts to locate a piston for this have failed by application means. As near as can be determined it is some kind of hybrid???. The piston is an Asso Werke with the number 2352 cast inside the dome. Any help in locating a piston for this would be greatly appreciated. WRNCH@aol.com Middletown Motorcycles 397 North Road Middletown Springs, Vermont 05757-4450 802-235-BIKE (2453) V 802-235-9373 F Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 17:59:04 -0800 To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" Subject: RE: wiring kill button ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCF843.D487D420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Should be a blue wire from ignition system, hook it to the wire on the = kill switch. Make sure the kill switch is grounded when you are = applying it, it should then kill the spark to the engine.=20 ---------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net[SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net] Sent: Friday, November 21, 1997 6:05 PM To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Re: wiring kill button ************************************************* Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:07:22 -0600 To: airdo@ix.netcom.com From: airdo@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: wiring kill button daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:39:37 +0100 > To: > Subject: Re: wiring kill button > > ---------- > | Van: daugava@nothnbut.net > | Aan: Moped Mailing List > | Datum: donderdag 20 november 1997 22:28 > | > | ************************************************* > | Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:28:11 -0600 > | To: airdo@ix.netcom.com > | From: airdo@ix.netcom.com > | Subject: wiring kill button > | > | > | HI MOPEDLERS,NEED TO KNOW HOW TO WIRE THE KILL BUTTON (ON -OFF > SWITCH). > | IN MAG.THANKS. > | > > over the breaker points.... > > breakerpoint > ign---------V------------------ground > |-------------cutoffswitch---- ground > > get it ? > Peter. =20 DOES THAT MEAN I CAN SOLDER ONE WIRE FROM SWITCH TO CONDENSER AND THE OTHER WIRE TO A GROUND? WILL THAT WORK? THE CONDENSER IS ALREADY WIRED TO THE POINTS.BUT, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS ANOTHER WIRE TO CONDENSER THAT WAS TAKEN OFF. I WONDERED IF THAT WIRE WAS ORIGINALY FOR KILL BUTTON. 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Tony ---------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net[SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net] Sent: Friday, November 21, 1997 6:24 AM To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Re: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT ************************************************* Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:24:44 -0500 To: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:36:56 -0500 (EST) > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: Dashaun84@aol.com > Subject: Re: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT > > Thanx alot Im going to check this guy out do you have the address? Lost the 800# for the Tomos Factory who services Fl....They were going to contact us regarding defective parts re: Tomas Targa Does anyone know the # ...I know it's in the manuel but unfortunately it's lost... 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Where are you located? Tony ---------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net[SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 1997 4:39 AM To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Old mopeds to part out ************************************************* Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:06:37 -0500 (EST) To: DAUGAVA@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Old mopeds to part out I recently got a pickup truckload of old "parts bikes". Some of the brands were; Honda PA50, Batavus (old), Motron, Puch, Motobecane (stripped bare), and JC Penny Swinger ( Puch). Most are not in very good shape, but motors can be made to run. Let me know if can help you with parts, too much work to restore them. 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Anytime you improve exhaust flow, you need to increase the amount of fuel to the engine. May need to rejet your carb. ---------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net[SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 7:25 PM To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust ************************************************* Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:34:22 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust In a message dated 97-11-20 11:29:13 EST, you write: << but a cold overheating below top speed.... doesn't sound sane to me, more likely to me is the fact that the pluhg dies out by getting oily, because between half full and full it mostly doesn't use more gas but only more air to make power, and with 2/3 gas to 3/4 or 4/5 it get a little to much gas and to less air to burn perfect, so it burns with a big oil film, (and bigga smoke signals ), kills the plug (untl cleaning) in a oil bath. open some times the gas completely to let the machine breath some fresh air and burn the sticky oil parts''. and / or adjust the mix to a leaner mix (be care full, if it has some thing to do with heat, this is not adviceable, i can't judge that from here). i don't know thy you drive at that speed, but >> I'm sorry if I wasn't clear before. The problem occurs after extended periond of full throttle. Usually the time spent at full throttle is between 10-15 minutes without stopping. Also, I've had the plug out immediately after the incidents occured (I always carry a spare plug, easy fix to many problems) and it had no buildup on it, and even a brand new plug failed to revive it. If I let it set to cool for about 20 minutes It fires up again and runs fine. As I said, this only happens when the engine is hot (so hot that the spark plug wrench is too hot to hold without a cloth from about 20 seconds after touching the plug until a very long time after.) ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCF843.E29BF460 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+Ih4DAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG ACABAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADAFAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAEcAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd AQ9UAgAAAABkYXVnYXZhQG5vdGhuYnV0Lm5ldABTTVRQAGRhdWdhdmFAbm90aG5idXQubmV0AAAe AAIwAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AAzABAAAAFQAAAGRhdWdhdmFAbm90aG5idXQubmV0AAAAAAMA FQwBAAAAAwD+DwYAAAAeAAEwAQAAABcAAAAnZGF1Z2F2YUBub3RobmJ1dC5uZXQnAAACAQswAQAA ABoAAABTTVRQOkRBVUdBVkFATk9USE5CVVQuTkVUAAAAAwAAOQAAAAALAEA6AQAAAAIB9g8BAAAA BAAAAAAAAAWtNQEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNyb3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQSAAQASAAAAUkU6 IFRhcmdhIEV4aGF1c3QA4gUBBYADAA4AAADNBwsAFwASABMAOgAAAFUBASCAAwAOAAAAzQcLABcA EgATADoAAABVAQEJgAEAIQAAADdGN0NFQTMwMkI2NEQxMTE4RkNDNDQ0NTUzNTQwMDAwAPsGAQOQ BgAoCAAAEgAAAAsAIwAAAAAAAwAmAAAAAAALACkAAAAAAAMANgAAAAAAQAA5AEDbHnZ/+LwBHgBw AAEAAAASAAAAUkU6IFRhcmdhIEV4aGF1c3QAAAACAXEAAQAAABYAAAABvPh/dh52NUxpZC8R0Y/M REVTVAAAAAAeAB4MAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AHwwBAAAAFAAAAGJyZW5uYW5AcmFtbGluay5u ZXQAAwAGECoWRqoDAAcQBQYAAB4ACBABAAAAZQAAAFJVTk5JTkdJVFRPT0xFQU5BTllUSU1FWU9V SU1QUk9WRUVYSEFVU1RGTE9XLFlPVU5FRURUT0lOQ1JFQVNFVEhFQU1PVU5UT0ZGVUVMVE9USEVF TkdJTkVNQVlORUVEVE9SRUoAAAAAAgEJEAEAAACyBgAArgYAADYLAABMWkZ1uBWfKv8ACgEPAhUC qAXrAoMAUALyCQIAY2gKwHNldDI3BgAGwwKDMgPFAgBwckJxEeJzdGVtAoMztwLkBxMCgzQDxhTI NQNGuwdtAoB9CoAIzwnZOxkCGDEyOBlfCZwyNTX/G3oacgoyGnEczxnjGDENosELYG5nMTAzFFAL CpsUUQvyYxKgB/B1bgMACSAgIGkFQHRvbyAUbGUAcC4UsG55dFkHcSB5CGAicG0TUG9SdiOwZXgR gHUTwCBRH/Bvdywjw24J4GR7IqEicG4FACMAEbAioGidI7BhBGAiEAVAb2YlAF8KUAMgJgEmwgnw ZwuAZbEjME1heSWnGRBqEcDrI8IFwGMKwGIjMAqFCosgbGkxODAC0WkteDE0NA3wDNAskwtZMa42 CqADYBPQYwVALS63rwqHLWsMMC42RgNhOi++Ey42DIIgZCTAZ2F2CGFAbi5QaG5idQR0LiWwdFtT TVTsUDozfzSBXS9fMG0GYLcCMDGfMqtXCYAlsHM1EDp5JVBOJFEG0ASQIDEGOSVQO8A5NyA3OjEc kCBQTTZvMG1Ub+M4rzKrTW9wJdEo4AMQNSJCTAQAdDzPN351Yk8pwC6APu8yq1JlRFBUcwrANUAg RSSkKr8rwzPuNi03IVUuNipKT0tfTEw5CoVEYRPQRFAXEGh1DyVQAdA7Ijv0MTU6M0Y0PGAR4C0w NSwwIOAoRVNUKQqFPsIzbzc0cgqFMVRBCsACIE00qRqAQGEG8C4FoG0Khe9D50YvRz0KhUkDoFXw B4H4c2FnI7BRQBPQJeA8IDksgDEtToFZMDxgOTrcMTNWAFBQJVR3BRBN4fFHTDw8IDRBV/EYgSXg /SRRcibQTdAiQjuAJSEiodhwIHNA4AmALl6BUTDSbweQbicFQHMnISXg/1hQJbAl8geAJVAEYBkQ CoX5IuBpayfAKQBgAyJwBCD9JsJmANAikRGAYqIjsAtQ/HVoImBRMAiQBCAIYAVA3mIpAFhwAkAi Qm8DEDsBnzuAKlAk0GCnO4B0dwnh6iARgGwngmwDIABwJeD/ZyMigQRgE8BhcV7WZaFgY39kcCaA XBMCIGFxaWMLcHL7YLZgAmFhUGNAJTAEkCVQ72dyA/AmwE5wL1oAabImAZgzLzQnYAXANC88gH8i gWSBV/Er8AJAIvBf83X/EXBpomC2Z3ImASLwBBFq0c8l8jRABKFA4HJmLnElUD9fUCJyccIEIGyz VfBiaddk4yUAAxBtJVAoZ3Fl1ztz4FXhcwRga9EAkGdu6wdABCApJVBrAxB2gWMVbSJgKCcxAyBj IvIiQSmXJiFX8XQSYk3QaC5gtv9A0QOgX1AjoSOCYhRpslQxvwtQEcBhZXvxJrMAwWgokf9cECZh bNF6gwNQB5BzkWroj2dyccMmwhPAaWNrKQDDdBIKsXRzJycjMGdyYi9t4mFkaiTSfNNpfngl8m7R IwE7kYKxYLYo/zuAKkJiUWcxJVAGkCJyEYD/BCB6hH1BImAmAV7QbKRdEj8lUIZBBCBiATPxcBdk du+AUCMAAmBgQWkqQV8SgiC+ZFhxYsMDUodBGRApeae3iaBe0F8SazPwXdFoKQD9I9JkBRAkYWLj YuFeM2VBaVwxPj5W/SeLAF9QcvZyKQCFUUlaoCaAXxJ4Mv8FwDuAAhAZECMwTiFjMQNg44lRiwBv Y2MIcHExAYB/O5EkkBPQX4AJgAqFchFpfwIgXLFnBSbALkFvIZIBVfxzdQdAYXIm0SODXjEnQf+K opV6YfJmVQqFIEAsgDyA/YKwbjRQB5FssmQSE8BA0NZwIkGSAUF2gG8lUI/g/yRhEYAl4XdWZBIH cAeAY8C/TdFhcAqFk2QmwiYxaQ2w7wIwY/GTAiXRKJCwB0CQ0P8TsCpCkFF1sQqxd2QlUCZxvykA LGCC0wOBnmaSdXN4sD9ncoWDJeAz8FwRAxBkde9eEAIgInFsVGUkYFfifZD/Z3IlsAfgd4NicAMQ JdMKhd8ZEIkAJGEigJIBSZCSfJL/IoERsSXyBaAG8CUAgdIG4PdcMU6BmlZJJPFq4AeRpcHvWGAL cZ52X4FyIhAEICxg/yiiFLCscV+hn7CHlWozEYD/m4AJ8HNBJtB/1ChkYfKbAH0FQChyobIRCoVi x6HCa/93dFqwCfBvsWICIsGyEiYB/5sAXKGa1lxhGKBs0YrTq4b/CoURsAWgX4CTRiKwb6GGY/93 VicxAxFV8FzhKQAYoIZy+yOSk2MuUHZHT0hfSWwKhQUYMQDAUAAAAwAQEAAAAAADABEQAAAAAEAA BzDgd7/cfPi8AUAACDBA2x52f/i8AR4APQABAAAABQAAAFJFOiAAAAAAXLM= ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCF843.E29BF460-- Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 17:55:00 -0800 To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" Subject: RE: 1962motobecane ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCF843.C2A7B7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Once you determine what you want to sell this moped for, let me know. I = may want it simply to display in my store. Do you have a picture, etc. = You could mail me a copy to Tony Weinfurtner, The Motorcycle Store, 202 = Vernon St., Ironton, Ohio 45638. Thanks, Tony ---------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net[SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 1997 11:50 AM To: Moped Mailing List Subject: RE: 1962motobecane ************************************************* Date: 22 Nov 1997 10:16:28 -0800 To: "DAUGAVA@NOTHNBUT.NET" Subject: RE: 1962motobecane To COPYTO Addressee List From WILMET (HO) Type N 11-22-97 = 10:16a Need your collective wisdom on how much I could reasonably expect to = sell the subject bike for. It has 300 miles on it and has had two = owners. Both have kept it under shelter at all times. Neither has -- = quite obviously -- ridden it much. And it's a lovely robin egg's blue. How much should I ask? Please respond to me at kathleen1@mindspring.com ------------------------- Hello fellow moped people, I recieved this from a separate list. 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I found the woodruff key had worn down and replaced it, which made the points open up at TDC again, but still no spark. I then tested the wires and disconnected to ground from the kill switch to eliminate that. I also tested continuity from engine to coil and found the wires in the wiring block loose as well and fixed that. Still no spark, switched coils, still no spark. I am not measuring voltage out of the engine which bothers me most. Magnetism seems cool, and it ran fine last week, so I doubt its that. I am leaning toward the condensor at this point, but I will first try every wire to make sure there is not obvios shorts anywhere and besides its a moped so it may have 12 wires total. I know this is a mundane moped question, but I am stumped and I am almost never bugged by electrical mysteries. Any help would be appreciated. Jim W. Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:52:58 -0400 (EDT) To: <199711241456.IAA19918@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: mopeds in wny There is a guy in Rochester who owns a PUCH. You can find his name on Andrew's moped pages under moped owners. If you e-mail this guy, he can probably give you some advice. Also, you can check in the Swap Sheet. Don't bother going to Wegman's though, they don't sell mopeds. Michael Liu On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:18:36 -0500 (EST) > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: GeeeTeee@aol.com > Subject: Re: mopeds in wny > > > East aurora subburb of buffalo > > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:57:31 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Re: Old mopeds to part out Tony, I am in Mansfield, OH Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:03:14 -0400 (EDT) To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: MS-TNEF some of the messages have an application attatched of MS_TNEF type WHAT IS THIS????? Michael Liu Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:05:42 -0500 (EST) To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Re: Vespa Grande wiring diagram` On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 Huvz@aol.com wrote: > Trying to sort out loose wires on a '79 Vespa Grande. > Can anyone help me find a wiring diagram? > Thanks Scott H. If you're the least bit interested, Vespa Supershop in San Diego has them for sale for like $1.10 or thereabouts ... ~ Danny ~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ syracuse ska!! Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:28:08 -0500 To: paltron@interlog.com From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: Vespa Grande wiring diagram` daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:55:06 -0500 (EST) > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: Huvz@aol.com > Subject: Vespa Grande wiring diagram` > > Trying to sort out loose wires on a '79 Vespa Grande. > Can anyone help me find a wiring diagram? > Thanks Scott H. Turn signals or no turn signals?The wiring is different. But your best bet is to call Vespa Supershop in San Diego, CA. 619-574-1818 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:48:25 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: golfwork@infinet.com Subject: Bombardier moped needs repair Bombardier that needs repair - anyone know where I can find a manual? It is Canadian I think and probably from Quebec. If you can put me onto a source of info I'd appreciate it. . . enjoy the postings Thanks -Gilligan Date: 24 Nov 1997 13:02:46 -0800 To: "DAUGAVA@NOTHNBUT.NET" Subject: RE: 1962motobecane To COPYTO Addressee List From WILMET (HO) Type N 11-24-97 1:02p FROM: daugava@nothnbut.net 1 object(s) were dropped: Once you determine what you want to sell this moped for, let me know. I = may want it simply to display in my store. Do you have a picture, etc. = You could mail me a copy to Tony Weinfurtner, The Motorcycle Store, 202 = Vernon St., Ironton, Ohio 45638. Thanks, Tony Send her an e mail. KATHLEEN1@MINDSPRING.COM To: "DAUGAVA@NOTHNBUT.NET" Subject: RE: 1962motobecane To COPYTO Addressee List From WILMET (HO) Type N 11-22-97 = 10:16a Need your collective wisdom on how much I could reasonably expect to = sell the subject bike for. It has 300 miles on it and has had two = owners. Both have kept it under shelter at all times. Neither has -- = quite obviously -- ridden it much. And it's a lovely robin egg's blue. How much should I ask? Please respond to me at kathleen1@mindspring.com ------------------------- Hello fellow moped people, I recieved this from a separate list. I already have one of these. = Anybody else interested? -Bill Metteer Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:25:26 +0100 To: Subject: Re: 78 Puch Maxi problem ---------- | Van: daugava@nothnbut.net | Aan: Moped Mailing List | Datum: maandag 24 november 1997 19:26 | | ************************************************* | Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:26:29 -0800 | To: daugava@nothnbut.net | From: wookie@rfx.com | Subject: 78 Puch Maxi problem | | | I have a puch moped that was running just fine, | until the magneto flywheel vibrated loose, and it died. I found the | woodruff key had worn down and replaced it, which made the points open | up at TDC again, but still no spark. I then tested the wires and | disconnected to ground from the kill switch to eliminate that. | I also tested continuity from engine to coil and found the wires in the | wiring block loose as well and fixed that. Still no spark, switched | coils, still no spark. I am not measuring voltage out of the engine | which bothers me most. Magnetism seems cool, and it ran fine last week, | so I doubt its that. I am leaning toward the condensor at this point, | but I will first try every wire to make sure there is not obvios shorts | | anywhere and besides its a moped so it may have 12 wires total. I know | this is a mundane moped question, but I am stumped and I am almost never | | bugged by electrical mysteries. Any help would be appreciated. | | Jim W. | | possible both coils bad ? or shortcut in coil , or what you said condensor gone.. easy test for this uncouple it(condensor) and it must run then only with large sparks on points, thats all.. possible short cut to frame in kill wire? where did you assume to measure voltage ? on the light coil ? if dead check for ground / bad contact at groundplate ? (never heared of but never the less) good luck Peter. Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:08:49 -0600 To: airdo@ix.netcom.com From: airdo@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Old mopeds to part out daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > May be interested. Where are you located? Tony > > ---------- > From: daugava@nothnbut.net[SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 1997 4:39 AM > To: Moped Mailing List > Subject: Old mopeds to part out > > ************************************************* > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:06:37 -0500 (EST) > To: DAUGAVA@nothnbut.net > From: Huvz@aol.com > Subject: Old mopeds to part out > > I recently got a pickup truckload of old "parts bikes". Some of the > brands > were; > Honda PA50, Batavus (old), Motron, Puch, Motobecane (stripped bare), > and JC > Penny Swinger ( Puch). > Most are not in very good shape, but motors can be made to run. > Let me know if can help you with parts, too much work to restore > them. > Scott H > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > HI SCOTT, WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THE J.C. PENNY SWINGER PARTS. BUT, > DONT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT PARTS MIGHT BE NEEDED AT THIS TIME.BIKE WAS PUT > AWAY FOR WINTER.BUT I KNOW I WILL BE NEEDING SOMETHING.COME SPRING. > THANKS CARLO. > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:21:44 -0600 To: airdo@ix.netcom.com From: airdo@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Searching for a moped... daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:32:10 EST > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: browncrew@juno.com > Subject: Re: Searching for a moped... > > I know where you can get a new Testi moped for $500 dollars. I can > sell > you one, but I am in NJ. If you want to work something out to have it > > picked-up or shipped, let me know. > > Keith Brown > k_brown@msn.com > > On Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:18:33 -0500 (EST) daugava@nothnbut.net writes: > >************************************************* > >Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:18:33 -0500 (EST) > >To: daugava@nothnbut.net > >From: JoeVR5@aol.com > >Subject: Searching for a moped... > > > > > >Hi everybody!! > > > >My name is Joe and I am looking for a moped to buy that is under > 5-600 > >dollars. I live in Northern Virginia. I would appreciate it greatly > > >if > >anyone has any suggestions, or hints about buying a moped. Thanks!! > > > >-Joe > >I LIVE IN IL. HAVE A SEARS FREE SPIRIT,AND A VESPA SI` MODEL FOR > SALE.ALL HAVE TITLES. ALSO, PARTS FOR VESPA`S BRAVO` ,CIAO. THANKS > AIRDO@IX.NETCOM.COM > > > > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:51:56 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: drstupid@usa.net Subject: Re: [Re: Testi Moped Info Sought] daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: >> ************************************************* >> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:32:10 EST >> To: daugava@nothnbut.net >> From: browncrew@juno.com >> Subject: Re: Testi Moped Info Sought >> >> >> I can get you a new Testi for $550. They are still in the box so you >> will have to assemble it yourself.... >> >> Keith Brown >> k_brown@msn.com >> >> On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:21:43 -0800 daugava@nothnbut.net writes: >> >************************************************* >> >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:21:43 -0800 >> >To: daugava@nothnbut.net >> >From: catrinus.j.wallet@exgate.tek.com >> >Subject: Testi Moped Info Sought >> > >> > >> >Some time ago I posted a plea for help in identifying >> >data on my Gitane Confort Lux moped from the early >> >70's (guessing). Most of the replies indicated that Gitane >> >didn't make a moped and I thought I was at a dead end. >> >Recently, I found this mention in Hugo Wilson's >> >the "Encyclopedia of the Motorcycle", published in 1995: >> > >> >Gitane c. 1947-1980 Until the 1960's this bicycle >> >manufacturer built mopeds and motorcycles using >> >100cc to 175cc VAP, Ydral, and Sachs engines. In >> >the 1970's it sold a 40cc Italian Testi with a Gitane >> >label, but this ended when Renault took over the company >> >in 1980. (Emphasis added). >> > >> >So I'm getting close! Who knows somethings about Testi >> >mopeds, and are parts still available? Again, the engine >> >is a "Motori Minarelli" with a Dellorto carb. >> > >> >Thanks in advance for any help you can give me! >> > >> >You can reply to the group or you can write me directly >> >at catrinus.wallet@juno.com >> > >> >Catrinus Wallet >> >Portland, OR, USA >> > >> > >> > Are Testi mopeds nice?? $550 isn't half bad.. DS ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:48:55 -0800 (PST) To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Re: 78 Puch Maxi problem Re: the mysterious electrical problem- try the condensor, also try the stator windings in the coil. You can sort of test it with an ohm meter. Disconect both wires from the stator coil and test the leads with an ohm meter. If you read zero ohms you have a short. If you have infinite ohms you have an open (broken wire inside the coil). If you get a reading, usually a fairly low value like 8 or 15, you may be OK. SOme times you can have an insulation failure that doesn't show up until the coil is loaded. Under that circumstance, you need a megohmeter to be sure and an ohm meter may show the coil as OK. -Dave Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:16:26 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: therav4@juno.com Subject: FS: Mopeds (2) I am selling 2 mopeds. 1976 Bianchi Moped - runs great, no turning signals or horn though - pedal start - give me an offer 1981 Honda moped - runs great - turning signals, horn, everything - I am in NJ if you are from out of state and interested, we will set up picking up arrangement or you pay for shipping and handeling charges Please email therav4@juno.com with questions and offers. Selling these to buy a new moped Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:04:05 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: mopeds in wny daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:52:58 -0400 (EDT) > To: <199711241456.IAA19918@mail.valuenet.net> > From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu > Subject: Re: mopeds in wny > > There is a guy in Rochester who owns a PUCH. You can find his name on > Andrew's moped pages under moped owners. If you e-mail this guy, he can > probably give you some advice. Also, you can check in the Swap Sheet. > Don't bother going to Wegman's though, they don't sell mopeds. > > Michael Liu > > On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > > ************************************************* > > Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:18:36 -0500 (EST) > > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > > From: GeeeTeee@aol.com > > Subject: Re: mopeds in wny > > > > > > East aurora subburb of buffalo > > > > Apparently or at least allegedle, there's also Kenny's Sportshop in Batavia 716-948-5775. Art (the fellow's name) claims to have owned a Puch and Sachs dealership a while back and still does some business in parts. Don't bother leaving a message, he never returns calls. Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:17:40 -0500 To: Moped Mailing List Subject: rating of mopeds for sale Taken from a couple of European "oldtimer" motorcycle/moped/scooter magazines, I suggest that we adapt the same rating system to save on blurb and make it clearer to everyone: A- restoration project, parts missing, body/frame shows age but the bike as a whole IS salvageable (engine may be seized but not shut) B- engine not seized, should run, bike more or less complete, some non-crucial parts could be missing or need replacement (cables, brakeshoes, tires, that kind of a stuff) C- complete, nothing missing, running condition D- same as C, but under 1,000 kms or miles, showroom condition (very rare!) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:46:57 -0500 To: libertybell7@earthlink.net From: libertybell7@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Bombardier moped needs repair I think that you may have a sachs suburban. I have 2 of them from the same year. Does it have a Sach's engine? For a service manual try Steve at Mopedmoped@aol.com. Regards Mike. daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:48:25 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: golfwork@infinet.com Subject: Bombardier moped needs repair > > Hey, I have a 1982 Bombardier that needs repair - anyone know where I can find a manual? It is Canadian I think and probably from Quebec. If you can put me onto a source of info I'd appreciate it. . . enjoy the postings Thanks -Gilligan Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:40:36 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Re: Old mopeds to part out Carlo The carb and aircleaner are spoken for already ( JC PENNY SWINGER ). Take a look and let me know what you may need. Maybe wont be there in spring. Thanks Scott H Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:40:53 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Re: Old mopeds to part out Tony - Im in Mansfield, OH Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:42:45 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Re: Vespa Grande wiring diagram` No turn signals on this model. Thanks Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:55:24 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: CrUsHeR78@aol.com Subject: Re: 78 Puch Maxi problem try regaping the points Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:38:42 -0600 To: "Mailing List" Subject: 21 Scooter links My email penpal Voytek collection of scooter links: * * * start of quote * * * Let's start to look into Websites which I have found: 1. Polish scooter WFM Osa (osa means wasp) http://www.pol.pl/PL10/news._p/motor/retro-sa/osa/index.htm 2. Taiwan Golden Bee (TGB) http://www.victor.com.tw/tgb/main.htm 3. Sundiro from China: (600.000 per year) http://192.41.37.73/INDEX.HTM 4. C&R Cushman http://crcushman.com/ 5. BMW C1 http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbmw/c1.html 6. Lambretta whole story: http://www.suria.it/lambretta/Modelli.html 7. MBK Yamaha France http://www.integra.fr/MBK/accueil-en.htm 8. Peugeot (not a factory site) http://www.forteco.sci.fi/index.htm 9. KYMCO Taiwan (from Germany) http://www.kymco.de/ 10. Daelim Korea http://www.dmc.co.kr/ 11. Hyosung Korea http://www.kotra.co.kr/product/hs-code/hs81-90/hs87/hyosung1.html 12. Vespa ET4 and ET2 http://ftp.motorcycle.com/mo/mcvespa/et4.html 13. Honda Japan (you need 5 hours to enjoy it) http://www.honda.co.jp/motor/ 14. French Electric Scooters and others http://www.edf.fr/html/fr/mag/voiture/groupe.htm 15. Honda France (by dealer) http://www.japauto.com/motos/modeles/scooters/index.htm 16. History of Solex http://www.mygale.org/06/bsuzanne/solex/us/index.html 17. Qingqi of China (monster size factory) known as Kasea in USA http://www.china-qingqi.com/chanpe.htm 18. Atala (Cezare Rizzato Italy) by German importer http://www.zr-germany.com/fdatala.htm 19. Bajaj of India (official) http://www.wmi.co.in/bajaj/ 20. Italjet Velocifero in USA http://www.bmwny.com/scooter1.html 21. Sanyang Taiwan (SYM) http://www.sym.com.tw/eindex.htm Tomorrow more sites! Voytek * * * start of quote * * * Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:15:51 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: browncrew@juno.com Subject: Re: Testi Moped Info Sought] Reply with your mailing address and I'll send you a brochure... Keith Brown >Are Testi mopeds nice?? $550 isn't half bad.. >DS Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:15:51 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: browncrew@juno.com Subject: Re: FS: Mopeds (2) How much are you asking for them. I am in NJ. Thanks, Keith Brown On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:16:26 -0500 daugava@nothnbut.net writes: >************************************************* >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:16:26 -0500 >To: daugava@nothnbut.net >From: therav4@juno.com >Subject: FS: Mopeds (2) > > >I am selling 2 mopeds. >1976 Bianchi Moped - runs great, no turning signals or horn though - >pedal start - give me an offer >1981 Honda moped - runs great - turning signals, horn, everything - > I am in NJ if you are from out of state and interested, we >will >set up picking up arrangement or you pay for shipping and handeling >charges > > Please email therav4@juno.com with questions and offers. > >Selling these to buy a new moped > > > Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 06:02:30 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: MaytagTwin@aol.com Subject: Re: 21 Scooter links In a message dated 97-11-26 04:04:15 EST, you write: << Voytek * * * start of quote * * * >> Voytek, Thanks for the sites. I will spend some happy hours looking. Ron Carroll Nokesville, Virginia USA maytagtwin@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:02:38 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com Subject: Re: 78 Puch Maxi problem Most of the time an ohm reading is not usefull. It's generally very difficult to get a good reading of low ohms. In addition, a single shorted winding will not be measurable. Though not measurable, a single shorted winding will totally kill the output voltage from the winding. The best way to check this would be to use a voltmeter, and measure AC volts while turning over the engine. If there's no voltage - the winding is shot. Chuck daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:48:55 -0800 (PST) > To: Moped Mailing List > Subject: Re: 78 Puch Maxi problem > > Re: the mysterious electrical problem- try the condensor, also > try the stator windings in the coil. You can sort of test it with an ohm > meter. Disconect both wires from the stator coil and test the leads with > an ohm meter. If you read zero ohms you have a short. If you have > infinite ohms you have an open (broken wire inside the coil). If you get a > reading, usually a fairly low value like 8 or 15, you may be OK. SOme > times you can have an insulation failure that doesn't show up until the > coil is loaded. Under that circumstance, you need a megohmeter to be sure > and an ohm meter may show the coil as OK. > > -Dave Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:09:25 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com Subject: Re: 78 Puch Maxi problem Usually a bad condensor will 'open'. This makes it appear as though it's not installed. I had a lawnmower once that wouldn't run at all because of this. If the condensor is suspected as the problem, better to replace it (they are cheap enough). If you know someone with a capacitance meter, it could be checked - should read about .1 microfarad. Chuck daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:25:26 +0100 > To: > Subject: Re: 78 Puch Maxi problem > > ---------- > | Van: daugava@nothnbut.net > | Aan: Moped Mailing List > | Datum: maandag 24 november 1997 19:26 > | > | ************************************************* > | Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:26:29 -0800 > | To: daugava@nothnbut.net > | From: wookie@rfx.com > | Subject: 78 Puch Maxi problem > | > | > | I have a puch moped that was running just fine, > | until the magneto flywheel vibrated loose, and it died. I found the > | woodruff key had worn down and replaced it, which made the points open > | up at TDC again, but still no spark. I then tested the wires and > | disconnected to ground from the kill switch to eliminate that. > | I also tested continuity from engine to coil and found the wires in the > | wiring block loose as well and fixed that. Still no spark, switched > | coils, still no spark. I am not measuring voltage out of the engine > | which bothers me most. Magnetism seems cool, and it ran fine last week, > | so I doubt its that. I am leaning toward the condensor at this point, > | but I will first try every wire to make sure there is not obvios shorts > | > | anywhere and besides its a moped so it may have 12 wires total. I know > | this is a mundane moped question, but I am stumped and I am almost never > | > | bugged by electrical mysteries. Any help would be appreciated. > | > | Jim W. > | > | > possible both coils bad ? or shortcut in coil , or what you said condensor > gone.. easy test for this uncouple it(condensor) and it must run then only > with large sparks on points, thats all.. > possible short cut to frame in kill wire? > where did you assume to measure voltage ? on the light coil ? if dead check > for ground / bad contact at groundplate ? (never heared of but never the > less) > > good luck > Peter. Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:56:37 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: zoboo@passport.ca Subject: unsubcribe thank you....... Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:23:26 -0500 To: laurinj@videotron.ca From: laurinj@videotron.ca Subject: Re: Bombardier moped needs repair daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* Date: Mon, 24 Nov > 1997 15:48:25 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: > golfwork@infinet.com Subject: Bombardier moped needs repair > > Hey, I have a 1982 Bombardier that needs repair - anyone know where I > can find a manual? It is Canadian I think and probably from Quebec. If > you can put me onto a source of info I'd appreciate it. . . enjoy the > postings Thanks -Gilligan The Bonbardier is a Puch made under Canadian license during the 70's I have parts and manual here if you want (i'm in Montreéal, Qc...) you can reach me by e-mail at laurinj@videotron.ca or tel: (514)747-3368 Jean-Sébastien Laurin parts and restorations on 60,70,80's mopeds PUCH-MOTOBÉCANE-SOLEX-VESPA-ETC... Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:05:36 -0400 (EDT) To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: Mickey's Mopeds Mickey's Mopeds is located about 45 minutes from New York City. Mickey has ALOT OF USED (and working) PUCH parts. He has alot of other things too but I only have eyes for PUCH. Mickey's is a real moped store. WHat do I mean by this? There are only mopeds (as classified by New Jersey) in his store. No mini-bikes, no dirt bikes, no skateboards, no skateboards with motors, no motorcycles, no bicycles, no computers, no ATVs, ONLY MOPEDS AND MOPED RELATED THINGS. Mickey understands the law of supply and demand. If you demand a moped, he will supply it to you-just the way you like it. If you want a PUCH, he'll get you a PUCH instead of saying check back in 3 weeks. He will also make sure it is in good condition. In the back of his shop is his workspace, which has many of the used PUCH parts, clutch linings, and for some reasons a large number of TOMOS clutch linings. There are also bikes that he is fixing for people. I get the impression that he knows his stuff. If you want a used moped in great condition, give Mickey a call. Michael Liu Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 19:11:33 -0600 To: "Mailing List" Subject: Many questions Long time ago, before the birth of Moped Mailing List, I started a section on my site, called "looking of info". Lots of questions were asked there, but I am not sure how many were answered. So, I will repost the questions here. Probably, the best way would be to reply to them by email, because not all of these people could be subscribed to this list... however, if you think that your answer may be of interest to others, by all means, send a copy to the Moped List as well! Ok, here it goes: **************************************************************************** ******* I am in need of a wiring diagram for a JAWA TRANSISTOR 40. The VIN # 168695 JAWA-BABETTA 1977. I was able to get an OWNERS MANUAL for this unit but, it did not contain any wiring diagram. RBEREL@ROHMHAAS.com * * * looking for repair manual for 95 Tomos Targa Lx (swim@ctg.net) * * * Anyone know anything about Motobacane mopeds. I have an old one (70's ?) thats been stored for years. It now starts and runs but I can't find a place for parts (or anything else) Company is out of business I think. Any info is much appreciated! * * * I have a RAP 49cc made by Rex Motoren Werk Munchen 1956 model. Does anyone have any technical or historical information for me many thanks (pestech@dockside.co.za) * * * looking for information on Columbia motor bike. (DM1703) * * * looking for information about a Piaggio Ciao moped built in 1970 TOPMEO * * * (Anybody ever heard of a "Job" moped? The name might be a model of another brand. RockyJim@aol.com) * * * A co-worker picked up a moped which has the words "American Moped" stamped on the bottom of the engine case, and the name "Indian" in two other places. Can anyone give me any information about this scooter? (bsteele1@tir.com) * * * I just purchased a Moto Guzzi moped. I believe it is called a ROBIN. Anybody out there have any info on this particular model. It's a 1978 model. Thanks! Charlie (kauthmay@ocslink.com) * * * I am looking for plans to build my own goped using a victa 160cc lawn mower engine, any ideas? (falla@netspace.net.au) * * * I recently bought a Honda moped. I do not know what is is because all it says is "Honda V Matic" Does anybody know what model moped that is, or where to look. Thanks (Locoryan@aol.com) * * * I'm looking to get information on Derby mopeds. (ward@javanet.com) * * * Could anyone help me locate some parts for a Cimatti City Bike 1975. (jonesp@netusa1.net) * * * I am looking for a whizzer motor that is complete or has all the parts, and a gas tank. thanks EM (acman@sols.net) * * * Hey Folks! I am looking for ways to gas power my bicycle so I can commute my 100 mile drive to work and other places. I have ideas how to build what I want, but was wondering if any other folks have ideas..need it to have abillity to go 40 mph, even though i will probably only go as fast as 30. prefer chain drive. (mcs@macnet.com) * * * Anyone know where i can find a cheap priceon a motor. (under $170) (maddog_84hotmail.net) * * * I recently purchased a Whizzer motorized bicycle. Would like more info about what I've got! (bshultz@pld.com) * * * Looking for info on a Columbia Commuter Moped. (lensam@smart1.net) * * * Anybody know of any big bore kits for the 100cc Speedfight please respond. (stephen@ibl.bm) * * * All I know of is P.M. Tuning in Egland that has a muffler and jets, rollers. But thats not all I want * * * I want to buy a Sachs engine with 3 or 4 gears.. Not too expensive! (ankr.ankr@stockholm.mail.telia.com) * * * Hello people, i'm from the dutch so my englisch isn't so good, i'm looking for everything that, scooter SPEEDFIGHT iff you have information, pictures or other stuff, send it pleace to me!!!! if you do that you can make a request where you are looking for!!! (area_51@euronet.nl) **************************************************************************** ******** Andrew Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:55:27 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: rjp34kv@epix.net Subject: Sears/Puch Hello list! Hope someone here can help? I've just unearthed a Sears-Cheyenne (Puch) Moped. Mod# 810.89529 It's got knobbies on the front and rear, a strap on black and chrome fuel tank, and a high pipe. Anyone know what year these were made, or if parts are available somewhere? The only missing parts appear to be the front axle and the taillight lens. The cables are there but rusted solid. The engine spins and seems to have good compression, so I need to know the correct gas/oil mix ratio, and what would be the correct spark plug to use? Greatly appreciate ANY info! THANKS Bob Pryor rjp34kv@epix.net in SE PA (mostly 305 Hondas) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 11:47:38 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: zoboo@passport.ca Subject: unsubscibe Please take me off your mailing list....I actually really liked it but this is nthe computer at work and I am getting in trouble.... thanks anywaz mike f Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 11:56:42 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: RED5596422@aol.com Subject: Re: Mickey's Mopeds What his the phone number to this place? And where is it? George Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:11:29 -0400 (EDT) To: <199711270205.UAA19320@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: Sears/Puch for PUCH related Parts I would suggest the following stores: Long Island - Two For the Road Cycles Connecticutt - The Moped Warehouse or The Moped Center New Jersey - Mickey's Mopeds or Steve's Bicycle and Moped Shop Most of these guys have PUCH parts lying around-in some cases they are unused-in others they are used. Look on this list for all the phone numbers. Michael Liu On Wed, 26 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:55:27 -0500 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: rjp34kv@epix.net > Subject: Sears/Puch > > > Hello list! Hope someone here can help? > > I've just unearthed a Sears-Cheyenne (Puch) Moped. Mod# 810.89529 > > It's got knobbies on the front and rear, a strap on black and chrome > fuel tank, and a high pipe. Anyone know what year these were made, or if > parts are available somewhere? > > The only missing parts appear to be the front axle and the taillight > lens. The cables are there but rusted solid. > > The engine spins and seems to have good compression, so I need to know > the correct gas/oil mix ratio, and what would be the correct spark plug > to use? > > Greatly appreciate ANY info! THANKS > > Bob Pryor > rjp34kv@epix.net > in SE PA > (mostly 305 Hondas) > > > Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:01:37 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: a.ghosh@utoronto.ca Subject: help me,.. need PUCH help i go this moped. i have no clue what model it is. it says nothing. it's a PUCH bombardier. that's all it says. it was made in 1975 in Australia. I looked at a couple of pics on the net, and i came accross one which is somewhat similar, but not. the file was called mop-puch. i think its in the gallery. not sure. well take a look at it. if you have any idea what kind of PUCH it is, can ya tell me. Thanx.. Filter from Toronto Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:08:32 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Dashaun84@aol.com Subject: Re: Searching for a moped... Hi I live in New Jersey and Im interrested in buying a good running moped under $200 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:14:06 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Dashaun84@aol.com Subject: Re: FS: Mopeds (2) Hi I live in Hillside NJ and Im really interrested in your Honda moped for sale.But all I can spend is $200 ,and I wont even have that until Christmas.PLEASE REPLY Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 05:00:56 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Parting out Parting out the following mopeds: JC Penney(Puch) Swinger, JAWA (old) Batavus (old) Puch, Puch Maxi Honda PA50 Bikes are in rough condition, but lots of useable parts. Scott H Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:55:05 -0500 To: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: GOT ARRESTED WHILE DRIVING A MOPED daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:30:31 -0000 > To: > Subject: Today, my boyfriend Tim got arrested in Lee County, Fl. while driving his Tomos Targa Lx..The officer told him he needed a drivers license..helmet, etc....Not true...The reason Tim bought a moped in the first place is that he cannot get a license...I am positive the law has not changed...What does anybody suggest...it's a peddled bike and under 49cc's.....It cost us $100. for a bail bondsman and $1,000 in collaratal and they impounded the moped..costing $75. plus $10. per day.... The officer was certain and so was I...but i have no proof...The dealer where we purchased the moped was no help at all.....any suggestions, cause the same thing could happen the next time he drives the moped in Lee County, Fl...We put a plate on the back, registered it legally, so should we not have registered it....Ya didn't need a license to register it.....The cop said that when Tim was stopped he was not peddling it, and the bike was motorized so he considered it a vehicle that ya need a license to drive....How can we straighten this out before his court date and for future moped drivers in Fl...... Thanks Alene & Tim Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:42:18 -0400 (EDT) To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: my 1977 1 hp PUCH Maxi-Luxe I purchased: 60 cc kit from Steve's Bicycle and Moped World (mopedmoped@aol.com) 18 tooth front sprocket and 36 tooth rear from Micky's Moped's (tomostomos@aol.com) A 2-speed transmission off a parts Bike from The Moped Warehouse (no e-mail, yet) Motorcycle tires from JC Whitney THe pickup is incredible, but the top speed flattens out at 35 mph Steve is going to look over my install since the lack of performance is probably due to my inexperience with tuning. Michael Liu Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:44:47 -0400 (EDT) To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: ATF type AF I saw ATF type AF at PEP BOYS. It's made by valvoline and costs about $1.80/qt. After reading the back of it, it seems to fit the same same specs as ATF type F which is what I use in my PUCH. The ATF type F is about $1.50. Michael Liu Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 13:41:34 -0500 (EST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: RED5596422@aol.com Subject: Moped WANTED I am looking for a non running ped that is pricewise cheap Preferably a kickstart but pedal start ok George Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 19:49:26 -0400 (EDT) To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: please post for sale: For sale (ALL USED): PUCH Maxi Cylinder/Piston - 49 cc works fine $30 PUCH Newport II Cyclinder/Piston/head - 49 cc - works fine $40 60 cc Eurocyclinder/Piston assembly - less than 200 miles works fine $100 2 PUCH Maxi Exhaust pipes (one beat up/one excellent) - pair $25 2 Bing Carbs for Maxi (one beat up/one good) -pair $25 I am in Long Island. It is probably better if we are in driving distance of each other-otherwise you pay for shipping. If you are not experianced with this kind of stuff, please do not repond. I know all of the cyclinder stuff works because I've used it, I'm in the process of upgrading so that is why I have these parts.They were removed from working bikes to make room for upgraded equipment. If you want me to ship it-you pay for shipping costs. Michael Liu
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